Classic rock music!

they'll tell you a blues based jam band with jazz and country influences. most of the snobs on there say southern rock is a term rednecks use for dumb music like lynyrd skynyrd. some people even say the correct term for soutern rock is redneck rock


what are they over there ? A bunch of punk kids ? I say this because anybody that was around during the early 70's when the term redneck came into use would know it has nothing to do with just the south or just country people or any of the bullshit stupid idiots have turned it into today, all that shit started in the 90's when Jeff ?Foxworth? started his comedy routeen but that is not what redneck origionally meant. Redneck came out of the resistance to the anti war movements such as the scenes at Kent State and Chicago convention, it came out of the resistance to the civil rights movement, it came out of the resistance to the hippy movement, growing long hair and listening to rock music... it had nothing to do with living in the country or just the south. It was everybody in the older generation that would not open their eyes and see that stuff was Ef'd up and the CITYS were loaded with these "rednecks" and they listened to Frank Sanatra and Tony Bennett NOT rock.

Use of the term southernrock was in full use by 75-76 at the latest to classify the sound of the recent influx of rock bands from the south and it was a distinct sound. AND they also did extensive live jams as did most all rock bands at that time, get a live Hendrix album, check a few of Zeps lives blues jams or Humble Pie Rockin the Fillmore and those two bands were BRITs. ABB was not tied with the Southern Rock influx, they had long already established themselves, died, Greg did a solo album but they surely were one of the first tastes of how the rockin boys from the south rolled

Kids today got everything so fucked up they are easily as bad as the rednecks from the late 60's and early 70's. Redneck is about being ignorant and strict one sided/closed minded to reality

TRUTH!

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Redneck is a disparaging [1] term that refers to a person who is stereotypically Caucasian and of lower social-economic status in the United States and Canada, particularly referring to those living in rural areas. Originally limited to the Southern United States,[2] and then to Appalachia,[3] the term has become widely used throughout North America.



[edit] Etymology and Other Uses
The term has been used for different groups in different time periods. The most common American usage, that of the working class rural white Southerner, is generally believed to derive from individuals having a red neck caused by working outdoors in the sunlight over the course of their lifetime.[4]

In the Dictionary of American Regional English, the earliest citation of the term in this context is from 1830, as "a name bestowed upon the Presbyterians of Fayetteville [North Carolina]". A citation from 1893 provides a definition as "poorer inhabitants of the rural districts...men who work in the field, as a matter of course, generally have their skin burned red by the sun, and especially is this true of the back of their necks".[5]

[edit] Possible Scottish Covenanter Etymology
The National Covenant and The Solemn League and Covenant (also known as Covenanters) signed documents stating that Scotland desired a Presbyterian Church government, and rejected the Church of England as their official church. In doing so, the Covenanters rejected episcopacy—rule by bishops—the preferred form of church government in England. Many of the Covenanters signed these documents using their own blood, and many in the movement began wearing red pieces of cloth around their neck to signify their position to the public. They were referred to as rednecks.[6][7]

Large numbers of Scottish Presbyterians migrated from their lowland Scottish home to Ulster (the northern province of Ireland) during the plantation era. In the mid to late 18th century, they emigrated again to North America in considerable numbers, comprising the largest group of immigrants to the American colonies from the British Isles before the American Revolution.[6] This etymological theory holds that since many Scots-Irish Americans and Scottish Americans who settled in Appalachia and the South were Presbyterian, the term redneck was used for them and their descendants.

[edit] Use of the term for members of the National Mine Workers' Union
The term redneck was also used in The West Virginia Coal Miners March (1921) or the Battle of Blair Mountain when coal miners wore red bandannas around their necks to identify themselves as seeking the opportunity to unionize.[8]

[edit] Use of the term for Irish Catholics
The term is recorded in the American Midwestern and Western States as referring to Irish Catholics. The earliest instance recorded in the Dictionary of American Regional English is from 1929, and this usage of the term remained current through the 1970s.[9]

[edit] Modern usage
Southern comedian Jeff Foxworthy defines "redneck" as "a glorious absence of sophistication," stating "that we are all guilty of [it] at one time or another."

Redneck has two general uses: first, as a pejorative used by outsiders, and, second, as a term used by members within that group. To outsiders, it is generally a term for white people of Southern or Appalachian rural poor backgrounds — or more loosely, rural poor to working-class people of rural extraction. (Appalachia also includes large parts of Pennsylvania, New York, and Ohio.) In the West Coast, there are regionally specialized versions of the term, namely Okie and Arkie, for poor rural white migrants from respectively Oklahoma and Arkansas, displaced from the Great Plains by the Dust Bowl years of the 1930s. Poor economic conditions across the Southern US also pushed people to migrate to the farming valleys of California.

Generally, there is a continuum from the stereotypical redneck (a derisive term) to the country person; yet there are differences. In contrast to country people, stereotypical rednecks tend not to attend church, or do so infrequently. Further, "politically apathetic" may describe some members of this group. In some areas, such as eastern Tennessee, ethnic Scots-Irish were Unionists during and after the Civil War, and voted with Republicans. Except for those poor whites disfranchised by poll taxes and other devices, those who voted were generally part of the solidly white Democratic South that persisted after conservative whites regained power in the late 1870s. Some joined the biracial coalitions of Populist movements that came to brief power in the 1880s.

Although the stereotype of poor white Southerners and Appalachians in the early twentieth century was exaggerated in popular media, the problem of poverty was real. The national mobilization of troops in World War I (1917-18) enabled comparisons of draftees from the South and Appalachia and the rest of the country. Southern and Appalachian whites had less money, less education, and poorer health than white Americans in general.

In the early part of the 20th century, the boll weevil devastated the Deep South's cotton economy. In the 1930s, areas of the Great Plains, some within the boundaries of Texas, Oklahoma and Arkansas, or the Southwest, were devastated by the Dust Bowl years.

The Great Depression was a difficult era for the already disadvantaged in the South and Appalachia. In an echo of the Whiskey Rebellion, rednecks escalated their production and bootlegging of moonshine whiskey during Prohibition.[10] To deliver it and avoid law-enforcement and tax agents, cars were "souped-up" to create a more maneuverable and faster vehicle. Many of the original drivers of stock car racing were former bootleggers and "ridge-runners." Federal programs originating in the New Deal-era Tennessee Valley Authority and the later Appalachian Regional Commission created jobs for rural southerners and others under the Works Progress Administration and Civilian Conservation Corps, as well as encouraging construction and development.

World War II (1941-45) meant economic development in the South and parts of Appalachia as the nation built up its industrial and military base. In and out of the armed forces, unskilled Southern and Appalachian whites, and many African Americans as well, were trained for industrial and commercial work they had never dreamed of attempting, much less mastering. The US government established military bases in Florida, Georgia and Texas to stimulate development. Big industrial plants began to appear across the once rural landscape. Many blue-collar families from the South and Appalachia found their way to white-collar life in metropolitan areas like Atlanta. By the 1960s some blacks had begun to share in this progress, but blacks and whites in more isolated rural areas continued to have economic difficulties.

Late 20th century writer Edward Abbey, as well as Dave Foreman may have adopted the word's possible secondary historical origin among striking coal miners to describe white rural working-class radicalism. "In Defense of the Redneck" was a popular essay by Ed Abbey. One popular early Earth First! bumper sticker was "Rednecks for Wilderness." Murray Bookchin, an urban leftist and social ecologist, objected strongly to Earth First!'s use of the term as "at the very least, insensitive."[11]

Author Jim Goad's 1997 book The Redneck Manifesto explores the socioeconomic history of low-income Americans. According to Goad, rednecks are traditionally pro-labor and anti-establishment and have an anti-hierarchical religious orientation.

[edit] Popular culture
The Grand Ole Opry and Hee Haw are popular entertainments from years past, and they, as well as entertainers Hank Williams, Grandpa Jones and Jerry Clower, have seen lasting popularity within the redneck community. Entertainers like Minnie Pearl used homespun comedy as much as music to create a lasting persona, and sophisticated and intelligent musicians like Earl Scruggs and Lester Flatt appeared on shows such as The Beverly Hillbillies, lending credence to broad humor about uncomplicated rural Americans.

According to James C. Cobb, a history professor at the University of Georgia, the redneck comedian "provided a rallying point for bourgeois and lower-class whites alike. With his front-porch humor and politically outrageous bons mots, the redneck comedian created an illusion of white equality across classes."[12]

Johnny Russell was nominated for a Grammy Award in 1973 for his recording of "Rednecks, White Socks, and Blue Ribbon Beer," parlaying the "common touch" into financial and critical success. Country music singer Gretchen Wilson titled one of her songs "Redneck Woman" on her 2004 album Here for the Party.

In recent years, the comedy of Jeff Foxworthy, Ron White, Bill Engvall, and Larry the Cable Guy have become popular through the "Blue Collar Comedy Tour" and Blue Collar TV. Foxworthy's 1993 comedy album You Might Be a Redneck If... cajoled listeners to evaluate their own behavior in the context of stereotypical redneck behavior, and resulted in more mainstream usage of the term

That your history lesson today.
 
Dont need a highly edited modern record of the term being used by people wearing red bandanas during a strike it was in high spred use north and south in the late 60's and had nothing to do with music from the south, country people or economic status. The cities were and still are loaded with blue collar work forces, North South East and West

Your same source for this will also tell you all about how music today is classified for 30 years ago when it was NOT classified as such in its time.

Your history lesson for the day is the more a story gets passed around the more fucked up it gets
 
I can easily rip that artical to shreds using its very own words. Once it gets away from early useage which clearly indicate that is had VARIED localized usage in various locations thoughout the country during immigration periods. It falls back to the ignorant post 90's interpretation spred by Jeff Foxworthy embrased by his country following and presumptuous burbies that hate country people or anybody that actually is productive with dirt on thier hands.

My friends and those I grew up with are from the north, in the country on the city outskirts, grew long hair, listened to all types of rock including southern to some pretty heavy stuff, work in any field in and outside of the cities from productive dirty fingernail jobs to office work. "Redneck" was never applied to us, if anything we were "hicks" simply refering to our living out in the country, not a social status, not a dress code, not a educational challange. You couldnt tell the difference between us and the kids from the city. A redneck was a closed minded person from the older generation that would not accept that we could not accept the current statis quo of things in the country.

My cousin and friends from Florida who grew up in the burbs had the same exact defination of a Redneck.
 
What did rednecks listen to back in the day razoredge?

I already stated that earlier, they listened to the music of thier generation, be it stuff like Frank Sanatra for more urban locations or country, folk or whatever according to thier geographys and taste. Redneck had nothing to do with music, location or income it was about a state of mind, view points and with most at that time it didnt vary between city and country only political viewpoints as some were more openminded.

Those were very turbulant times, todays a cake walk though many try very hard to make thier footprint over petti little BS so they can have thier own turbulance... pointless as it is. Things could be turbulant if anybody went after the worthy issues.
 
I already stated that earlier, they listened to the music of thier generation, be it stuff like Frank Sanatra for more urban locations or country, folk or whatever according to thier geographys and taste. Redneck had nothing to do with music, location or income it was about a state of mind, view points and with most at that time it didnt vary between city and country only political viewpoints as some were more openminded.

Those were very turbulant times, todays a cake walk though many try very hard to make thier footprint over petti little BS so they can have thier own turbulance... pointless as it is. Things could be turbulant if anybody went after the worthy issues.

Well the term Redneck is very confusing.Some say a redneck is someone who is loud and obnoxious which doesn't make sence because that means the gangsta people from LA and the irish mob from Boston could be both rednecks.I never think of Frank Sanatra when I think of redneck music.
 
most of the people on the ABB forum are in their 50's. they just want to think the ABB are better than those other bands and want an excuse to use when anyone mentions skynyrd being the most successful southern rock band ever. this way they can say the ABB aren't southern rock. people on there even try to say the ABB were the highest grossing live act from 1972-1975. i doubt even though i wasn't alive back then but i do know if you look at the list of top grossing tours of each of those years the ABB isn't #1 any of those years
 
most of the people on the ABB forum are in their 50's. they just want to think the ABB are better than those other bands and want an excuse to use when anyone mentions skynyrd being the most successful southern rock band ever. this way they can say the ABB aren't southern rock. people on there even try to say the ABB were the highest grossing live act from 1972-1975. i doubt even though i wasn't alive back then but i do know if you look at the list of top grossing tours of each of those years the ABB isn't #1 any of those years

then they adopted the 90's use of the term all too easy. Fucking Redneck by todays standards applies to ME and anybody that calls me a redneck to my face is gonna throw down.

I'd like to see that list.
Im thinking Grand Funk sold pretty heavy in US
Obviously Zep by 74/75 anyhow
I believe Yes and Genesis sold well
Biggest crowds I remember at SPAC in early 70's was Chicago and JCS with Chicago setting a record of 30,000, not a huge place but large lawn area
not sure about Deep Purple but I dont think they lost money
I also dont know how the Dead were doing early on either
J Geils had their crowds
Billy Joel and Elton both, Elton had to have been big
Seems to me the southern rock bands toured sometimes like a festival, that might be when they started out
Allman Brothers did sell well they got into everybody, a likeable band by all
later 70's Rush and BOC drew large crowds

would be interesting to see a list but I think you would really need more information than just a entire tour, some bands like Zep were so big they didnt play alot of places, just BIG places other bands could have played all over hell to any size venue and take 3-4 shows to match the numbers of one Zep show.

got a link ?
 
then they adopted the 90's use of the term all too easy. Fucking Redneck by todays standards applies to ME and anybody that calls me a redneck to my face is gonna throw down.

I'd like to see that list.
Im thinking Grand Funk sold pretty heavy in US
Obviously Zep by 74/75 anyhow
I believe Yes and Genesis sold well
Biggest crowds I remember at SPAC in early 70's was Chicago and JCS with Chicago setting a record of 30,000, not a huge place but large lawn area
not sure about Deep Purple but I dont think they lost money
I also dont know how the Dead were doing early on either
J Geils had their crowds
Billy Joel and Elton both, Elton had to have been big
Seems to me the southern rock bands toured sometimes like a festival, that might be when they started out
Allman Brothers did sell well they got into everybody, a likeable band by all
later 70's Rush and BOC drew large crowds

would be interesting to see a list but I think you would really need more information than just a entire tour, some bands like Zep were so big they didnt play alot of places, just BIG places other bands could have played all over hell to any size venue and take 3-4 shows to match the numbers of one Zep show.

got a link ?

If we are talking about the biggest band in the 70s it has to be Led Zep no question about that.Black Sabbath and Deep Purple have to be up there as well.The Who were very popular.Aerosmith was a big name back in the 70s.Yes was also popular.Genesis wasn't a very popular name back then although the era with Peter Gabriel is better than the 80s pop era of Phill Collins.
 
alice cooper was the biggest grossing live act of 1973 or whatever year the billion dollar babies tour was
 
alice cooper was the biggest grossing live act of 1973 or whatever year the billion dollar babies tour was

link ? I wanna see it broke down a bit like who trailed

Elton was huge
the Who was one of thought of last night afterwards, they had to be huge at least attendance.
Sabbath I would say was not very big early - mid 70's, they only attracted a specific crowd.
Seems the more successful acts would be those that drew girls too, like the Who, Elton, Genesis and Zep later on
Cooper is a bit of a shocker but they did tour heavy and had lots of public recognition with songs like Schools out and 18 plus the reputation for the stage show.

Which makes me wonder about Bowie who also put on quite a production and the girls loved him
 
link ? I wanna see it broke down a bit like who trailed

Elton was huge
the Who was one of thought of last night afterwards, they had to be huge at least attendance.
Sabbath I would say was not very big early - mid 70's, they only attracted a specific crowd.
Seems the more successful acts would be those that drew girls too, like the Who, Elton, Genesis and Zep later on
Cooper is a bit of a shocker but they did tour heavy and had lots of public recognition with songs like Schools out and 18 plus the reputation for the stage show.

Which makes me wonder about Bowie who also put on quite a production and the girls loved him

Bowie has to be up there as well.How big was Sabbath back in the 70s razoredge?
 
I liked other hardrock bands more, Sabbath was only an occasional listen and I was extremely put off by Ironman after I learned how to play it and tortured myself by playing the elementry, extremely dry, extremely white, slow loagy rhythmically retarded song 5 times... then never played it again. This was my first put off. Then I stopped listening to Sabbath after Bloody Sabbath, they were getting too gruesome for me, just topics I was not interested in. Much of the population felt the same way if not put off to the heavier music anyhow. Just like metal today it was a small audience per capa that got into it.

I still like some old Sabbath songs but prefer not to hear Ozzy sing PERIOD.
 
Another example of this is Zep, they were not vastly popular until after Houses of the Holy when they calmed down a bit. They had early success with some heavy singles like Whole Lotta Love and Immigrant Song but people didnt want to hear their entire album "too much screaming" "too noisey". My recollection of Stairway to Heaven is it wasnt even a "hit" until FM radio got going more and people became more accustom to a song that had no repeating verse and no chorus. It was the theme of my Senior Ball and that was 76 which is what ?? 3 years after it came out. It was runner up with Dream Weaver which the girls wanted but the boys won... lol

One of my closest friends that was a girl painted a HUGE mural of the cover art from Demons and Wizards at my request for the "Ball"... we had senior ball not junior prom.

Rush was the same deal, they were not quickly embrased, "too much screaming" "too loud". We had long wore out Fly by Night and Caress of Steel by the time the rest of the crowd caught on when 2112 came out.

Still the main thing to remember is that heavy music has never drawn much love from the feminine gender because "girls just wanna have fun". The fact that the pop metal of the 80's was fun as well as heavy is why it garnered so much wide spred success for aggressive music.