COBOT: the Album

[Ensi]

U NEED THE TOOBZ ALL ELSE IS MAJOR FAIL AND IM A EN ELITIST AND I DONT EVEN HAVE A GOOD TOOB AMZ

 

[TheKid]

Keep in mind stores are limited and don't have 25 models of each guitar and amp brand, you have to be lucky you can find the guitar you're looking for in a store, let alone 2 guitars you want to compare. Jackson, esp and bc might be easy to find here, but then again if you want to try a less common brand.



I guess it's okay for its price, but definetly not rocking bawls

ah whatever, opinions

I meant for the price. Ofc a proper amp would be better, but it's really good considering how much it costs.

And I did say that scouring the net was an option.

 

[Muffin]

U NEED THE TOOBZ ALL ELSE IS MAJOR FAIL AND IM A EN ELITIST AND I DONT EVEN HAVE A GOOD TOOB AMZ

 

[TheKid]

U NEED THE TOOBZ ALL ELSE IS MAJOR FAIL AND IM A EN ELITIST AND I DONT EVEN HAVE A GOOD TOOB AMZ

 

[children of COB]

I want a J50BC

Read below (end of my post) please.

I'm over Alexi style guitars they're unversatile olololo

I know you don't like them anymore, but I play in a rock and roll band besides my dm band and I play clean songs and all with my RR and it doesn't sound bad. Yes, if I had an acoustic for the clean parts and an Ibanez Prestige with cool Dimarzios on the neck for the slow melodic passages and a br00tal Schecter 7 string for epicness and a Dean to jerk off on a piece of shit that isn't worth even half of it's price it'd be really cool, but I can easily do with mine. The tones you get from the amp and pedals and all are the big thing. Then pickup has some effect, but if you play the ultimate guitar thru a Harley Benton only Brutal Hate will like it, whereas if you play a regular guitar thru an amp which has been set nicely and all you'll get a pretty cool tone

I'm 13 and I go by what I hear

Seriously, stop repeating what people says as if you knew. You don't know about Emperion guitars at all yet you're already recomending them, you haven't tried different pickups yet you're going "DiMarzio FTW" and all. You don't have to do that, it's boring.

sv=rr24+neck pickup+£ lots

Like this. Yes ESP SV is kinda expensive, but not less than the other ESPs and high end Jacksons or Ibanez, and quality wise it IS superior to the RR24. It's not only the neck pickup .

Awesome! I'm not sure I want to rework the song at all, so we can just do a simple cover. Do you need a tab? I picked my part up by ear so I don't really have one...

A tab would be much appreciated, even if it's a basic one. Plus we're gonna need it for the drums.

how expensive is it to change ur hardware to gold?

A lot. OFR/Schaller FR 150-200€. Volume pots and strap lockers are much cheaper tho. But won't go under 200€ by any means if you want quality. If you just want looks then get a cheapass Collins from Thomann and be done, but get ready for some unstability.

Seriously, don't do it. If your guitar or the one you buy has good hardware fuck the colour, just keep it.

Honestly though, i've heard both things about the j50bc, some swear by it because of its mid properties, others loathe it. That being said, the height of that pickup is paramount to getting it sound right, if its too low its gonna sound like ass, if its too high you'll(apparently) get that "wolf" sound that people talk about, not that ive heard it myself

Now, J50BC and all the fuss, I'm gonna say something which I'd be glad to have someone backing me up but probably won't happen because none of you have the tools to do it.

Alexi's tone was NOT given by the J50BC. Yes, it sure had some effect to it and the pickup is indeed pretty different to the mentioned EMG 81, but 99% of his tone was the GP1000 and not for beeing the GP1000 but for the kind of amp it was. GP1000 as well as ADA MP1 are 80s preamps and they have that HB sound people jerks off too. That thin hyper clear distortion really sharp for solos. THAT was Alexi's tone. I bought a J50BC, but never got to installing it. Some time after that I got to try an ADA MP1, a friend lent it to me to record my band's demo solos, and after I was done I bought it off him. I'm not gonna bother installing the J50BC because the "HB tone" is in the amp, not in the pickup.

Whoever wants Alexi's old tone is much better off looking for a GP1000 or an ADA MP1 or some kind of preamp like that than lurking eBay for a J50BC. Remember, I don't say that the pickup has no effect at all, but I'm just saying that Alexi's tone won't be achieved with the J50BC, but with the amp. Then, with the amp, probably it'll be closer with the J50BC than with an 81, but only then. Playing through any other thing just use whatever nice pickup you want and just crank the mids.

 

[Ensi]

WALL OF TEXT

 

[charli]

Seriously, don't do it. If your guitar or the one you buy has good hardware fuck the colour, just keep it.



Now, J50BC and all the fuss, I'm gonna say something which I'd be glad to have someone backing me up but probably won't happen because none of you have the tools to do it.

Alexi's tone was NOT given by the J50BC. Yes, it sure had some effect to it and the pickup is indeed pretty different to the mentioned EMG 81, but 99% of his tone was the GP1000 and not for beeing the GP1000 but for the kind of amp it was. GP1000 as well as ADA MP1 are 80s preamps and they have that HB sound people jerks off too. That thin hyper clear distortion really sharp for solos. THAT was Alexi's tone. I bought a J50BC, but never got to installing it. Some time after that I got to try an ADA MP1, a friend lent it to me to record my band's demo solos, and after I was done I bought it off him. I'm not gonna bother installing the J50BC because the "HB tone" is in the amp, not in the pickup.

Whoever wants Alexi's old tone is much better off looking for a GP1000 or an ADA MP1 or some kind of preamp like that than lurking eBay for a J50BC. Remember, I don't say that the pickup has no effect at all, but I'm just saying that Alexi's tone won't be achieved with the J50BC, but with the amp. Then, with the amp, probably it'll be closer with the J50BC than with an 81, but only then. Playing through any other thing just use whatever nice pickup you want and just crank the mids.

i wont do it
and what do u think of the emg hz h4-mm04 setup?

 

[children of COB]

I only know that Lowberg's getting rid of it. And I've always thought that the idea of passive low gain pickup with booster for more gain is pretty retarded, even if I've considered getting it sometimes, but that's the point I'd end up coming to. Get an active with plenty of gain or if you wish to remain in the passives some DiMarzio X2N or something like that.

 

[charli]

I only know that Lowberg's getting rid of it. And I've always thought that the idea of passive low gain pickup with booster for more gain is pretty retarded, even if I've considered getting it sometimes, but that's the point I'd end up coming to. Get an active with plenty of gain or if you wish to remain in the passives some DiMarzio X2N or something like that.

yeah i guess ill buy a blackout, thanks

 

[Crzy_Aus]

A tab would be much appreciated, even if it's a basic one. Plus we're gonna need it for the drums.

http://www.911tabs.com/link/?6654824

Best I could find. Not a very good one though, but I guess you can modify it as we go... The drums are fine though.

 

[snowy]

I think the old Bodom tone is nice(the new is pretty cool too) but.
Why do you want his tone? whoever was asking for it, just tell me why? it doesnt make any sense at all to copy tones.
Unless you want to play in a fucking tribute or cover band.

 

[charli]

Maybe he likes it.
You create your own tone when you are an "independent" guitarist. When you are too influenced by your idols you tend to copy them.
That's my point of view. I'm pretty sure every fanboys (including me) that have Alexi's sigs and rack and pu will get rid of it sometimes when they'll have matured a bit.

yeah i guess im in that fanboi phase and in acrush at alexis tone, but i guess ill find my own its just a matter of time cause i remember doing everyting to getr metallicas tone before...

 

[children of COB]

@Crzy_Aus: Cool, I'll work from it When should we start working on recordings and all?

I have to mention that it is true and false... It all depends on the sound you are looking for. An 81 and a H4 + MM-O4 will sound similar and it's then stupid bothering with all this stuff. Laiho did use 81 for some lives. But on the other hand J-50BC alone will sound soooo shitty compared to J-50BC with MM-O4. And this couple has (yet) never been imitated in one active pu.

I agree the boosted J50BC sounds much better than without boost, but still I think you can get the same tones with a normal pickup.

I think the old Bodom tone is nice(the new is pretty cool too) but.
Why do you want his tone? whoever was asking for it, just tell me why? it doesnt make any sense at all to copy tones.
Unless you want to play in a fucking tribute or cover band.

I don't want Alexi's particular tone, it'd be too thin and mid-like for the kind of music my band plays, but I do want the sharp sound the ADA gives me and the overall tightness. Usually with normal amps I can find a rythm tone I like but then I tend to loathe it when it comes to playing leads, but the ADA gives me a consistent tone and it's really sharp and clear when soloing. And as we have two guitars in the band, I don't really miss that extra distortion that a 6505 or a Rectifier (to give some examples) would give me and that would be pretty much a need for a death/thrash metal band with only one guitar.

But I use quite a bit more bass and distortion than Alexi, his tone is too thin for me.

 

[Crzy_Aus]

^ Whenever you want I'm very much slammed with exams and papers and crap, so I won't be able to put much work into it until 2 weeks from now. I do have my part recorded though, and I hope someone else can do all the mixing, since I'm not very good at it.

 

[Lowberg]

I have to mention that it is true and false... It all depends on the sound you are looking for. An 81 and a H4 + MM-O4 will sound similar and it's then stupid bothering with all this stuff. Laiho did use 81 for some lives. But on the other hand J-50BC alone will sound soooo shitty compared to J-50BC with MM-O4. And this couple has (yet) never been imitated in one active pu.

The MM-04 colors the tone of the pickup ALOT. It distorts the signal in a way, so the pickup sounds slightly overdriven and not "crystal clean".

A few years ago I recorded just the clean signal of my guitar without any amp modeling or effects with every possible switch combination on the MM-04 and you could really see what a difference it made to the sound.

I will make a final set of MM-04 comparison recordings before I get rid of it.

 

[Ensi]

I'm not trying to prove that you are wrong but I'm just curious : what pickup ? It's true that the GP-1000 is 90% of the tone but the 10th % left are the pickup and the booster so...

Yeah the preamp is the core of the sound. The pickup/booster etc comes later.

You will NOT get Alexi's tone simply by having a J-50BC and a MM-04/JE-1000, you need the GP-1000.

 

[EddyRX10]

I like the part where the discussion about getting the OMGALEXI tone should gtfo of the COBOT album thread. When I see this thread bumped I expect something moderately exiting. This is disappoint.

 

[Ensi]

I like the part where the discussion about getting the OMGALEXI tone should gtfo of the COBOT album thread. When I see this thread bumped I expect something moderately exiting. This is disappoint.

buttnugget

 

[EddyRX10]

buttnugget

hold me

 

[children of COB]

@Lowberg: Are you still up for vocals on Vodka??

^ Whenever you want I'm very much slammed with exams and papers and crap, so I won't be able to put much work into it until 2 weeks from now. I do have my part recorded though, and I hope someone else can do all the mixing, since I'm not very good at it.

OK, I've already learnt the guitars, and I may throw in some stuff of my own (not major things, just details and stuff). Then I'll record bass and send to Lowberg if he's still up for vocals. Mixing either me or him if he has time.

I'm not trying to prove that you are wrong but I'm just curious : what pickup ? It's true that the GP-1000 is 90% of the tone but the 10th % left are the pickup and the booster so...

My knowledge about pickups is certainly limited, but I'm sure that amongs all DiMarzio pickups you'll find one that sounds close enough to that without having to go crazy lurking eBay.

Yeah the preamp is the core of the sound. The pickup/booster etc comes later.

You will NOT get Alexi's tone simply by having a J-50BC and a MM-04/JE-1000, you need the GP-1000.

Or ADA MP1 or some 80s preamp of that kind. I can say that ADA works.

I like the part where the discussion about getting the OMGALEXI tone should gtfo of the COBOT album thread. When I see this thread bumped I expect something moderately exiting. This is disappoint.

Don't be dissapoint son, we're moving towards that Christmas thingie. Dunno how many tracks or so we'll have, but we'll do something.