Defining Metal Genres Thread

[HamburgerBoy]

Which is why I would call them a progressive/technical thrash band.

Does that mean they are "pure 100% thrash" per TB? I guess it depends on your definition of pure thrash, but I would say no, as there are distinct differences between a band like Coroner (especially later albums), and albums like Vio-Lence's Eternal Nightmare or Kill em All or KIMB.

I think Dream Theater are another kettle of fish that are much further removed from thrash.

To me, "technical" is basically just a descriptor, like "melodic" or "brutal" or whatever. A "brutal death metal" band isn't less pure unless they incorporate grindcore/hardcore/whatever influences to do so. Neither is a tech-thrash band, provided they consistently make thrash metal songs no matter the degree to which they exceed Kill Em All in complexity.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

... exactly, i basically said the same thing a page back.

 

[Westsiyeed]

That's a good point, but it also supports the fact that one band can lean much further away from their core genre than another.

If you (or any esteemed metal listener) were given two bands - Coroner and Vio-lence, and then given two genre descriptors - pure thrash and progressive/tech thrash, I'd be surprised if anyone picked Coroner as the pure thrash band.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I'd prefer to say that Eternal Nightmare is more quintessentially thrash, but sure.

 

[Onder]

I'd say that Eternal Nightmare is the mastered art of thrash. The riffs on that are the absolute peak of the genre.

 

[Baroque]

Dark Angel - Darkness Descends might be the epitome of the 80's pure thrash category in my opinion. Eternal Nightmare is definitely up there.

 

[Satanstoenail]

Reign in Blood tbh

 

[Westsiyeed]

To pick some quintessential thrash albums the three above would be there (my pick is Reign in Blood), but would also think Pleasure to Kill, Beneath the Remains, Bonded by Blood, Speak English or Die and Kill Em All and RTL would be right up there.

In fact, chuck in Among the Living and that's my top 10.

Also recognising Megadeth would be up there but TBH personally I can take or leave them.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

My quintessential picks for 80's thrash would be KIMB, The Legacy, Reign in Blood, The New Order, first two Metallica albums, Illusions, Eternal Nightmare, Beneath the Remains, Schizophrenia(call it what you want) and Darkness Descends.

I'd throw Rust in Peace in there too but it came out in 90.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I'd say that Eternal Nightmare is the mastered art of thrash. The riffs on that are the absolute peak of the genre.

I dunno, I like Eternal Nightmare quite a bit and sometimes I think I got into it too late, but to me it's more about the riff/tempo transitions than the individual riffs themselves, although I do know there's a few here and there that are pretty awesome. Actually, this just reminded me of listening to it at In-N-Out a while ago and writing a note down that there's this one really awesome riff that sounded kinda like surf rock played in a thrash way or something, but I can't even remember the song now, need to listen again soon and see if I can pick it out.

Ride the Lightning has way too many different things going on to be a prime example of what thrash is all about, btw.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

it's more about the riff/tempo transitions than the individual riffs themselves

Wrong ... once again.

Also, i think i remember you taking a MAJOR dump on Eternal Nightmare a few years back ... or that might have been someone else?

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Pretty sure it wasn't me, although maybe if you fellated it heavily while putting down Bonded By Blood, I would have said something negative to rile you up (or at least something you would have interpreted as negative simply because I failed to worship it hard enough). I definitely don't remember ever disliking the album.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Actually, i'm pretty sure it was you, but i really dont feel like searching for the post. You trashed that album, along with Beneath the Remains(and a few others), saying something like they're just one of the few "generic, crappy thrash bands/albums from the late 80's who just tried to cash in on the popularity of thrash at the time" "they did nothing anyone before them didn't do better" "recycled/rehashed thrash riffs" ... or some other retarded shit along those lines, but i clearly remember you talking shit about a bunch of bands albums that came out in the late 80's, and specifically mentioning Vio-Lence.

Also, i remember you voting down Eternal Nightmare every chance you got when we were fucking around with the "The Albums Project" thread.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I already searched my post history and couldn't find anything where I trashed it. I have said the "generic crappy etc" thing about Beneath the Remains though, certainly. If I mentioned Vio-lence, I was talking about Oppressing the Masses (and I would still stand behind that).

EDIT: lol, I just searched through a few pages of The Albums Project, and so far I see exactly one vote cast by myself against Eternal Nightmare (all the rest went against Windir's Arntor), and that was probably because you voted for it every fucking day. You're one of those petty unforgiving types that remembers the most trivial of slights and will hold it against your ex-lover for life.

EDIT #2: Ok, I voted against it more earlier when people were still voting for the ~90th place, which is still basically top-genre-tier level and something the album isn't. Sorry if that makes you sad.

And from 2008

The debut is good, but overrated. Nothing worthy of being praised as a thrash classic. The albums after it are just as bad as Machine Head's worst.

So yeah, "MAJOR dump" not found.

EDIT #3: I found a post on another forum from 2010 where I describe it as "nothing special". I therefore may have said something like that here, but you'd have to be awfully defensive to take such offense to that.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

I already searched my post history and couldn't find anything where I trashed it. I have said the "generic crappy etc" thing about Beneath the Remains though, certainly. If I mentioned Vio-lence, I was talking about Oppressing the Masses (and I would still stand behind that).

EDIT: lol, I just searched through a few pages of The Albums Project, and so far I see exactly one vote cast by myself against Eternal Nightmare (all the rest went against Windir's Arntor), and that was probably because you voted for it every fucking day. You're one of those petty unforgiving types that remembers the most trivial of slights and will hold it against your ex-lover for life.

EDIT #2: Ok, I voted against it more earlier when people were still voting for the ~90th place, which is still basically top-genre-tier level and something the album isn't. Sorry if that makes you sad.

Dude, you voted that album down far more than anyone else on these boards, actually you voted it down almost every chance you got.

edit: http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/general-metal-discussion/689290-albums-project-126.html

You were actually the only person that was pretty much hellbent on making sure that album didn't make the list.

IM SO OFFENDED AND MAD, MAN! SO MAD! really?

Oh and keep digging, i think you might find a few more posts.

edit: And honestly, i can care less if you like the album or not ... i just find it funny that you listed it as one of your quintessential thrash picks when you clearly were/are not a fan of that album(or the band).

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Do you not know what quintessential means? For example, the Ottomans were the quintessential Armenian-killers, but that doesn't mean you have to love them.

EDIT: And if you look at my voting record, I only voted it down when there were no other albums I was sufficiently familiar with that I felt were worth down-voting. Once Windir made it up I switched to going against it. I voted against The Years of Decay vs Eternal Nightmare. I voted against The Awakening a number of times when Eternal Nightmare was an option. You're just getting defensive bro.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

I would slap your fucking eyeballs out of your head if you were in front of me right now. Good job on the successful baiting, but making a comment like that and trying to make this into a whole 'nother story shows just how fucking burned you really are. Now please, just get lost you cockbreath motherfucker.

edit: oh and quit crying about those votes you faggot, they're posted up there for all of us to see.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

lol, you've barely made any decent arguments in this thread. I have a feeling you still don't know what quintessential means, which is why you took offense to the above.

 

[The Butt]

Nerdrage tbh