Holy Shit, The Battle of Adrianople!!!

[NAD]

I don't even think the two fields are after the same thing, in general humanities discusses the ways of the world and science tries to explain them. Even when trying to explain, the humanities side of things doesn't (or shouldn't, rather) use factual evidence to prove a particular tree is beautiful, and science explains the chemical makeup of the tree, stopping well short of the aesthetic, subjective discussion.

Humanities is extremely subjective, while science is objective. Generally speaking of course.

 

[Krilons Resa]

^indeed

 

[speed]

No I think they are both trying to explain existance using the tools they have; langauge, religion and faith- and experiments, numbers, patterns etc. Most- and the most dangerous- try to find an absolute solution; a one, a god--or a Universal String Theory etc.

Im a history geek, but its interesting, I read Jacob Burkhardt's classic The Civilization of the Renaissance in Italy, which in the newly edited version, makes the point that science and the humanities evolved totally seperately after the dark ages. Math, science, etc, were studied at only the established Ecclesiatical Universities, with law. The Humanities that flourished, were studied in new universities, and never with law. Thus, one can come to the conclusion that Science and humanity have been seperate since the Romans. As truly the SOcial Sciences are just now coming to understand that no method or objective positivistic measure of humanity really works all too well.

This has been a huge idea for me for a while.

 

[NAD]

No I think they are both trying to explain existance using the tools they have; langauge, religion and faith- and experiments, numbers, patterns etc. Most- and the most dangerous- try to find an absolute solution; a one, a god--or a Universal String Theory etc.

Oh okay. I'll agree that in practice this is sometimes true (depending on the group, area of study, etc.), but at the root of their nature the separate realms and subjectivity v. objectivity comes into play.

 

[KILL TULLY]

FOTM

mike, translate.

 

[lizard]

Please tell more!

The Doge guy was this really ancient dude (they say about 90), and he was blind. The Crusaders contracted with the Venetian fleet based upon projections of the numbers of people they would have, and they woefully miscalculated; well, this Doge guy didn't live so long and powerfully without being the sharp knife in the drawer...

He said, hey, royal crusader guys, you can make up what you can't pay me by capturing this city which used to be under our influence, but is now being troublesome. So the crusaders said, hey, we're running low on money, we've really got no fucking choice! okay, royal ugly Doge, we'll do it!

so the Venetians boated them over and the rebellious city caved. But of course then the crusaders had to agree further to beseige Constantinople, which at the time was the richest, largest city in all the known world...which of course further exacerbated tensions between Eastern and Western Roman empires...

 

[Ayeka]

Sounds like a short step towards a world of shit -_- someday, I might get round to indulging it in my own time. I'm hoping I can get round to devouring European history once I'm done with British, but, ehuh we'll see...

 

[lizard]

my oldest known ancestor, in Acton All saints, Suffolk

 

[Russell]

Please tell more!

On a side note, I'm reading a new book about the history of the monarchy by David Starkey (Russell might know the series that the books are accompanying)...r

Yeah, I've seen adverts for that on TV. I've yet to actually watch it tho

 

[lizard]

Simon Schama's History of Britain (both the books and DVDs) are excellent for both the scholar and the layman.