maudlin of the Well / Kayo Dot

[J.]

why is only the "W" capitalized?

 

[NAD]

I... don't know! I think it's the "official" spelling, but the main reason I type it that way it because it looks cool. motW. That rocks.

 

[Erik]

why is only the "W" capitalized?

BECAUSE THAT MAKES THEM AVANTGARDE AND SPECIAL

AND DO NOT DARE SPELLING IT ANY OTHER WAY YOU UNSOPHISTICATED TWIT



You know when I called Arcturus artsy-fartsy the other day? Yeah, I didn't really remember the existance of Maudlin Of The well at the time... they make Arcturus look like fucking Hellhammer.

 

[NAD]

Oh my fucking lord... Fuck me, how threads with a funny joke or two become completely derailed.

Like I said, check out their board if you want to call them pretentious. You'll see their name spelled all sorts of ways. THEY DON'T FUCKING CARE.

 

[Erik]

yeah, neither do i, i just hate this band the more i discuss them

 

[Erik]

Despite only having heard one of their songs several years ago



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[NAD]

www.dontjudgebandsononemp3itmakesyoulookdumb.com

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[J.]

my main beef with the band isn't even music related (I've only heard some of a sample). I read lots of threads where they criticized lots of metal fans and the metal scene as a whole. I mean, hey, the metal scene is not without lots of faults, but to criticize the scene in which you were formerly a part of is somewhat hypocritical.

If you want to distance yourself from the scene, more power to ya, but why criticize it? Especially when it was metal fans that bought your albums, and still do.

I've probably only heard half the story, but that half pisses me off.

 

[Black Winter Day]

Poop. To me, maudlin of the Well is pretentious wankery and every NSBM band I care to listen to is vastly superior. Who fucking cares anyway? I THINK WE CAN CLOSE TEH BOOK ON THIS ONE FOLKS: :COOL.

I fart on you.

 

[NAD]

There's a recent interview on http://www.lotfp.com that goes into the metal scene bit, I didn't see what the big deal was to begin with.

As far as pretentious goes, how can any fan of black metal even BEGIN to rag on a band they find pretentious?! That's funny.

 

[Black Winter Day]

Did you not get the point? I farted on you. Case closed.

 

[NAD]

Nevermind. The irony of this pretentious debate starting with a joke concerning NSBM was just funny is all.

 

[JayKeeley]

I read lots of threads where they criticized lots of metal fans and the metal scene as a whole. I mean, hey, the metal scene is not without lots of faults, but to criticize the scene in which you were formerly a part of is somewhat hypocritical.

If you want to distance yourself from the scene, more power to ya, but why criticize it? Especially when it was metal fans that bought your albums, and still do.

You know, am I nuts or did Haughm from Agalloch do the same thing back when The Mantle was released? I remember that interview with Adam back on AA...I tried to do a search on google, but no luck.

 

[JayKeeley]

Yeah, of course those are excellent answers by JWW. Perhaps I remember it wrong, but the AA interview with Haughm seemed pretty scathing towards the metal scene. It could have been an off day for him too.

With that said, ALL the Agalloch band members were extremely warm and approachable at their show, and of course, 99% of the audience were metal heads.

 

[NAD]

So I don't see the problem with what motW did, they didn't say "fuck metal, we hates it," from what I understand they just said "fuck Dark Symphonies" (if that even, all I've heard is they were very unhappy with that label, rightfully so). Here's a quote from a recent interview:

Are you expecting a lot of your new fans to continue on with you or is it out of sight, out of mind as far as being promoted to the metal world?

Greg Massi: Definitely one of our goals was to try to broaden our audience. A lot of people who have been fans of us since the first albums are definitely picking up the album and are interested in it. So far, we have gotten reviews done primarily metal zines, and there is definitely a conscious effort from us to promote it to some of the more metal publications, like you. I think we sent one to Metal Maniacs too. We didn't want to just promote it to the metal scene, which is what our old stuff was. We had one hundred and fifty CDs sent out to tiny zines, and I'm not sure how many reviews were done of it, but that's all it was sent out to. This time, we did send out a few promos already, and we did keep in contact with the zines we felt were important to keep in contact with, but we definitely wanted to limit sending promos to just any old metal webzine out there. We want to promote ourselves to other places. We're trying to keep people from the old audience as much as possible.

Toby Driver: You know as well as anybody that a label you attach to music is for marketability. If you call something metal, then it's immediately going to have a presumption made about it before it's even heard. We're not turning our backs on it, but we want anybody to be able to get into it, not just the metal crowd.

Going out into more experimental music, is there really the infrastructure anywhere near the one metal has built up for marketing and selling CDs?

TD: Another purpose of doing this, we are trying to broaden the audience, maybe sell more records, that'd be great, but I personally am interested in having a certain level of respect for what I work on. If you just go around saying you're a metal band, there are a lot of elements of the metal scene, that not everybody in the scene has… If you look at the larger publications, they do speak for the scene, and then they have ads in them that say, "This album is the most hateful album ever." The most visible things are saying things like that and representing your scene like that, and then these same people complain when their music isn't taken seriously by people outside the scene. We are interested in being musicians for our entire lives, we're interested in making a living off of it, and I don't think people in our band are the type of people who want to be in bar bands doing metal covers until we're fifty. We want to go places and progress and do a lot of different types of things.

GM: By the way, our album is the most hateful album, I'd just like to add that.

 

[JayKeeley]

The metal scene is obviously fucked and deserves a hell of a lot of scathing... But there's good and bad ways of doing it... I can't comment on what Haughm said 'cause I don't know what it was exactly but don't get me wrong, you DO get to criticize the metal scene while being a part of it.

Yes I agree, and I also cannot remember details from the AA interview (...so all that content is just gone now?...) and neither have I read anything about motW dismissing the metal scene so I can't comment.

The thing that irks me is when artists turn their back on metal, and then come back to it at a later date. Let's face it, both Geoff Tate and Rob Halford did this.

I really don't know how bands get assigned to a music genre either...

1 - The way they describe their own music?
2 - The label they're on?
3 - What the fans (or listeners) decide?

I think in the case of Agalloch, it's a combination of all 3 since it's all so eclectic at the end of the day.

 

[JayKeeley]

Ah, just saw NAD's post.

 

[Demonspell]

I think Kayo Dot's grievances with the metal scene are valid ones, and I don't mind if they or someone else chooses to disassociate themselves from their background in metal if they continue to produce great music. As far as KD/MOTW (who cares about the spelling?) being pretentious, I view them as being just some lowbrows from Boston with highbrow aspirations.

 

[Krilons Resa]

Yesterday I decided to smoke a doobie and pop in the Kayo Dot album. Well I didn't really remember much about it but 3/4 through the first song, I started trancing out and thinking to myself that all facets of life are divine and just the chance to be alive and able to experience these small but wonderful things is a blessing because nobody knows what is beyond this life...from a simple thing like feeling the cool breeze on a cool autumn day or whatever...then all of the sudden the spoken word part at the end of the first song came in and I almost shit myself. That was EEEIIIRRWWWDDS!!!!



"Our eyelashes weaken with a weight that is sweet and fine,
And this feels like frogs and spiders in the sweet outside.
Tell me why world, unfathomable and good,
The beauty of everything is infinite and cruel.

An airplane, a puppet, an orange, a spoon,
A window, and outside
Stars and the moon."

 

[J.]

You know, am I nuts or did Haughm from Agalloch do the same thing back when The Mantle was released? I remember that interview with Adam back on AA...I tried to do a search on google, but no luck.

Yeah, according to interviews he is not a fan of the metal scene. Don't know if those interviews still exist.