Music Sucks...

Originally posted by Oyo
Till Fjalls, check out Divina Enema.. I absolutely love them.

Hmm, strange name, but I'll check them out! If someone mentions a new band, I'm usually willing to check them out, since I realize there are still countless bands I have never heard before... Later tonight I'll get on Audiogalaxy and check it out, and let you know what I think.
 
Originally posted by Trapped
*cough*Asskisser*cough*

Blackwater Park blows. I hate the album :rolleyes:

You'll get over your asskissing stage in a few months, i garauntee. Opeth are great, but they aren't perfect.
It seems they are perfect for Urizen, hence his comment. Im sure he wasnt suggesting that the music is great for everyone for every album, just that for him personally he has 5 Opeth albums filled with songs he loves. And if thats the case then Opeth are perfect for him.

Opeth are pretty close to perfect for me as well, sure they have their flaws as any band does, and i can find heaps of bands that do certain things better than them. But in the end i get so much from every Opeth album, and thats whats important about music isnt it?

Having said that, unlike some i expect Opeth to be surpassed by many bands in the not too distant future, as you say they arent perfect and their great skills have laid down some good framework for upcoming bands to work around and add to their collection of influences and talents.
 
Alright you bastards, Im not kissing Opeth's ass. I don't really even like Blackwater Park that much. My Arms your Hearse and Still Life are the ones I truly praise. But from my time on this board Ive realized that everyone seems to have a favorite. Alot of people seem to think Blackwater is the best, or morningrise, or Orchid.
So ..... I think ive made my point.
 
Originally posted by Trapped


Blackwater Park blows. I hate the album :rolleyes:


I'll always say music is for the individual -

so we are opposite: I think BWP is Opeth's finest, and by a comfortable margin. I am not taking away from any of their other albums, but BWP does it for me.

But "blows"? Could of just said didn't like it. :p
 
They represent the elitist closeminded metalhead that its getting a little too old for change, i mean listen to the comments here, borknagar sucks, katatonia sucks, dt sucks, new opeth sucks, basically every band out there that takes a chance imediatly sucks, even bwp wich isnt a much different album they hate. A lot of what you say on your being polished thread applies here. One thing is not to like as much everyone is entitled to that granted, but when you go around saying music sucks well...lets just say that its a little silly that all the bands, all the music, and all the vast mayority of more recent metal fans all suck and they are right, i think its the other way around.

But it matters not, for they will bore and quit within a year or two after bands keep evolving into more challenging and intriging territories where the close minded fall.
 
They represent the elitist closeminded metalhead that its getting a little too old for change, i mean listen to the comments here, borknagar sucks, katatonia sucks, dt sucks, new opeth sucks, basically every band out there that takes a chance imediatly sucks, even bwp wich isnt a much different album they hate

I HATE it when you make stupid assumptions misanthrope... it doesn't do much for your credibility...

I was the one that said 'katatonia and dark tranquillity suck'... And immediately you say it's because i don't accept change, or support the band taking a 'chance'.

Do you think it is possible that maybe people don't appreciate the same bands as you...?? :confused:

If i didn't accept a band taking a chance, or changing... then i wouldn't love Death as much as I do.... right?? I wouldn't support Testament so much, Atheist... Cynic. All these bands changed and took chances. And i love them all.

I don't like DT or Katatonia because... well.... Katatonia DOES blow, boring as hell. No appeal to me... DT is a different story. I am just sick of Melodic Death Metal with bad vocals....!!!!!!!

What was your point... exactly?
 
listen to the comments here, borknagar sucks, katatonia sucks, dt sucks, new opeth sucks, basically every band out there that takes a chance imediatly sucks

Who... may i ask.... ASIDE from myself, COULD that have been aimed at?? :rolleyes:

Like i said, assumptions don't do much for your credibility.
 
Originally posted by Trapped

Do you think it is possible that maybe people don't appreciate the same bands as you...?? :confused:

I don't like DT or Katatonia because... well.... Katatonia DOES blow, boring as hell.

Just because you don't like Katatonia doesn't mean they blow. You've mentioned it yourself but you're not following your own rule....
 
Originally posted by Till Fjalls

One case in particular: Novembre. I heard the song distances, and I can honestly say that it had the impact on me that Opeth songs do (well, not counting BWP, which I can't get into). So I went out and spent 30 dollars on the album. And you know what, the rest of the songs, at least to me, were just mediocre, and not even close to being as good as the song Distances.
That's funny because I thought Novembrine Waltz was one of the very few albums that was great from beginning to end. Not just great, but really something special. :cool:

It's surprising that you don't like the rest of the album if you like 'Distances', because it all seems to flow to me. Maybe you should give it some more time until you're used to the other songs like you are with 'Distances', then you'll like it more.

Or maybe not;)
 
Originally posted by Trapped


*cough*Asskisser*cough*

Blackwater Park blows. I hate the album :rolleyes:

You'll get over your asskissing stage in a few months, i garauntee. Opeth are great, but they aren't perfect.

I agree Tillman, there has been nothing worthwhile lately. Still Life and Nevermore's "The Politics Of Ecstasy" were the last albums to make me go "Holy fuck!! Thats good!!!". Everything else blows.

And i hate all these supposedly 'great' bands thesedays to metalheads, like katatonia, dark tranquillity, my dying bride.... man, they ALL blow more than BWP :lol:

Then, what music do you like? What do you look for in music?
 
...Something that holds my attention span... so OBVIOUSLY not Katatonia.

Dark Tranquillity are oaky, but they are generic, and boring as hell, nothing 'stand out', you know what i mean? I'm not really bagging the bands (well, i am....), but they seem to be really 'popular' amoungst opeth-heads... and it gets tiring when everyone assumes that when i like opeth, that i also like katatonia, borknagar, DT.... because i certainly don't.

If you were looking for me to list a few bands, so you could go through them and pick faults and such... then you go right ahead... this is why we all have different opinions:

Martyr
Nevermore (...The Politics of ecstasy)
Death
Atheist
Opeth

I like other stuff, like Spiral Architect, (new) Dimmu Borgir, Testament, Morbid Angel, Cynic... heaps... but i'm not so much of an "Avid Fan" of those other bands...
 
Originally posted by Trapped
...Something that holds my attention span... so OBVIOUSLY not Katatonia.

Dark Tranquillity are oaky, but they are generic, and boring as hell, nothing 'stand out', you know what i mean? I'm not really bagging the bands (well, i am....), but they seem to be really 'popular' amoungst opeth-heads... and it gets tiring when everyone assumes that when i like opeth, that i also like katatonia, borknagar, DT.... because i certainly don't.

If you were looking for me to list a few bands, so you could go through them and pick faults and such... then you go right ahead... this is why we all have different opinions:

Martyr
Nevermore (...The Politics of ecstasy)
Death
Atheist
Opeth

I like other stuff, like Spiral Architect, (new) Dimmu Borgir, Testament, Morbid Angel, Cynic... heaps... but i'm not so much of an "Avid Fan" of those other bands...

I see. So, you need something more technical? Fresh, woth good ideas?

Katatonia might not be technical really, but, I like this sad/depressing mood in their songs.
 
Originally posted by Trapped


Who... may i ask.... ASIDE from myself, COULD that have been aimed at?? :rolleyes:

Like i said, assumptions don't do much for your credibility.

How about the person who created this thread?, yesh you can be so self absorved you cant see beyond your own nose sometimes:rolleyes:

And i love that you clasify DT as generic, boring as hell, nothing stands out? A little thing called the gothenburg sound its what DT and DT side project that got out bigtime ( inflames ) created. Not only that, after 3 vastly different albums they did something so different it makes those 3 vastly different albums look more similar, they took what they had and improved it with new elements. You are really narrow minded i mean you can hate DT and the sound they created but they sound like DT, they created each album reinventing themselves by transforming the sound entirely, listeing to all DTs cd is like listening to 5 different bands how can that be generic? If you like Death you propably like what chuck did with death metal how he opened the doors for its evolution, and chuck never did a change so radical as dt has done each single time they release a new cd, Being a fan of Death and saying Dark Tranquillity is generic music its probably the dumbest thing someone has ever said to me in all my life.
 
AGH!!! On the Divina Enema comment, I don't know how many times Oyo and I have mentioned that group, but they are the most recent band since Opeth that has really had that "HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!!" affect on me. Talk about an album that is amazing all the way through. It is rare that I find an album that I LOVE when I first hear it, and continue to love more and more as I listen to it. Actually no album has ever done this for me, not even Opeth!

More on topic though, do you guys ever find that sometimes you will hear a song that you never really liked as much as another but just for some reason, during that ONE listen it clicks, and you just are amazed by it? Then you go back to listen again, and it isn't as good, and never will be as good as that one listen? Though that can be annoying, that is what makes music "music" for me. I just fucking love when that happens. I always get an album and love it when I first hear it, but then it goes to the back for a while; but when I pick it up again I am glued, and notice many things I didn't previously. That is my cycle anyways, and it will keep me happy with music for a long time I believe.
 

Opeth are great, but they aren't perfect.

Who is?

Thinking that a band or musician consistently puts out excellent music doesn't make a person an ass-kisser, if the music is really in line with their idea of what good music is.

And loving an album doesn't mean you have to appreciate every single note. Like in life, if every single second inspires you to fits of ecstacy, before long you'll no longer be able to appreciate it. Sometimes the "weaker" songs on an album, or even the "weaker" sections of songs, serve more like the background of a painting, creating a setting or a backdrop for moments of brilliance.

We all have slightly different tastes and ideals, and the musical moments that make me feel like it's worth being alive may "blow" to someone else's ears. But if they can move me, and others like me, what right does anyone have to say their worthless or should have been scrapped? We can choose what we listen to (most of the time), so as listeners and fans it's our responsibility to find the music that moves us and not expect musicians to hand it out to us, perfectly tailored to our deepest desires. Even a band can't produce musical that fulfills each member with every single note, because they each have their individual vision of fulfillment.

On top of all that, every moment of my life adds new experiences and new ideas and perceptions. What fails to move me today may suddenly make the most wonderful sense tomorrow, so I am not quick to throw any music away as boring or unfulfilling.

I recently wrote a column about how much wonderful music is being produced all the time, and that it almost makes me anxious thinking about what I could be missing. To me, music is a wonderful and inspiring thing and sometimes I find it hard to understand how others can be so quick to dismiss.