brooklynmayhem said:
Black Paragon the drumming in delieverance is something that can easily be picked up just by listening to the cd a couple of times. No matter how much I listen to dream theater the stuff is definatly to hard and to personal to play. I have fellow drummer friends who will agree as I have seen them play songs from deliverance too. Please let me know what you think is so hard to play on deliverance. And dont say the break down at the end of the title track which happens to be the easiest break down to play in the world. You definatly wont like tony laureano because he is actually good ("stunt drummer"), and his drumming is extremely personal sounding. Classical rudiments my ass, its all about breaking new ground and being original. Thats why peart, portnoy, danny carrey (tool) , etc. are world class drummers
But you're just wrong, and clearly a drumming n00b. Listen to me, you sound just like I did about two years ago. Classical rudiments your ass? Then you're not a real drummer. Portnoy doesn't break any new ground, he just plays single stroke rolls around his kit and simple polyrhythms where he does stupid things like hit a tambourine on the 3rd of the bar etc. If you think you can play anything off deliverance, you're playing it wrong. Especially if you don't know any classical rudiments. Here is the list of the dream theater songs I can play in their entirety (and the ones I can't are only because I haven't tried)
album: "Images And Words" (1992)
Pull Me Under
Another Day
Take The Time
Surrounded
Metropolis - Part I - "The Miracle And The Sleeper"
Under A Glass Moon
Wait For Sleep
Learning To Live
album: "Awake" (1994)
6:00
Erotomania
Voices
The Mirror
Lie
Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
Scarred
album: "A Change Of Seasons" (1995)
A Change Of Seasons
album: "Falling Into Infinity" (1997)
New Millennium
Peruvian Skies
Hollow Years
Hell's Kitchen
Lines In The Sand
Trial Of Tears
album: "Scenes From A Memory" (1999)
Scene Two: Overture
Strange Deja Vu
Scene Three: Through My Words
Fatal Tragedy
Scene Four: Beyond This Life
Through Her Eyes
Scene Six: Home
Scene Seven: The Dance Of Eternity
One Last Time
Scene Seven: The Spirit Carries On
Scene Eight: Finally Free
I only learnt the glass prison from their newest before decidiing it was shit and I should learn something harder.
There isn't really two ways to look at this because you're just wrong and you sound to me like you don't really know what you're talking about. It's not like I'm saying portnoy is a bad drummer, but he's overrated, totally, ask anyone that really knows what they're talking about. and the 'break down' (I think you mean long staccato section) at the end of deliverance is fairly easy to play, apart from the final bars of the second part of it... ie the extremely fast pedal work..... the 8 closely grouped bass notes are fairly easy once you're warmed up. Are you REALLY telling me that you can play wreath, deliverance, a fair judgement, masters apprentices and by the pain, by you can't play 'overture 1928', the dance of eternity, erotomania etc... I'd guess the hardest dream theater songs to play were the dance of eternity and erotomania, and I can play them perfectly because they're not hard, technique-wise. I think if you want to progress with your drumming you should start taking lessons, learn some rudiments and techniques (and learn how to hold your drumsticks properly too, I expect you've got that wrong and all lol). How is drumming 'personal' sounding, doesn't make any sense to me.
Do me a favour, do me one favour.
Download or buy a virgil donati video.
He makes portnoy look like SUCH a fucking amateur that you'll find it hard to believe. There's also a video on kazaa of Tony Royster JR (age 12) playing a drum solo that rips apart anything Mike Portnoys ever played. That's what you get for being a student of dennis chambers.
For christ sake, all portnoy ever does, every single one of his fills, solos, drum parts, they're all just born from a mind that doesn't know where to go next, he's hit a rut because he doesn't have the knowledge that real drummers need - and he's limited to adding to his kit..... you can see the size of my kit and I can play anything dream theater have ever played, what's the point in sitting behind his huge kit like a total dickhead.
Drummers that are better than Mike portnoy that you might enjoy listening to:
Virgil Donati (planet X)
Martin Lopez (opeth, amon amarth)
Anders Nordin (opeth)
Gene Hoglan (strapping young lad, death)
and then of course:
dennis chambers, billy cobham, Gene Krupa, Joe Morello, the great Buddy Rich, Tony Williams, kenny aronoff, greg bissonette, bernard purdie, the great steve gadd (master of the six stroke) Vinnie Colaiutau, Mike Mangini, the great john bonhan, The innovator dave lombardo, vinnie paul (none of that fucking about with tambourines and shit) John Tempesta, Zoro (who I met recently at a clinic he did) Daniel Erlandsson, Richard Christy, Anders Jivarp, Sean Reinert, Vitek (decapitated) was 14 when they recorded their first EP, and features some of the most brutal death metal drumming I have ever heard.
Bored of listing drummers now.
say what you like but I think it's clear on this board who knows what they're talking about. The only thing I can think is that you can't do subdivisions and therefore play in supposedly odd time signatures.
Its easy though..
the 'portnoy' way of doing it is to play in 4/4, take it to 16/16, and add a few sixteenths, so its 19/16, 1 2 3 4(123) 1 2 3 4, simple as that. Real drummers play in time signatures that make the song sound good.
If you have V drums, record yourself playing something from deliverance and post it on here, or mail me with it (pm for address) and I'll gladly eat my words.
Thing is, that won't happen.
and the "drum sounds" make you like some "drummer" more ?
