Black Chaosstorm
Like Gods of the Sun
Roger Bleak Eyes. i can accept that as the thing you find at the end of this question. sorry Tavaron, but katatonia is gothic metal. My Dying Bride is doom metal (at its best, as a matter of fact!)
Opeth - why labeled as black metal?
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Static
Manically depressed robot
Shadowthrone
I Fuck Snow
Static said:
agreed. Also, if I remember correctly the guy who did say it was the same guy who said he actually likes Limp Bizkit. Hence, I see it as a good thing that he isn't a fan.
Nefilim
Rotten undead buccaneer
I think Steve Wilson pinned Opeth down quite well when he said he at first thought they were just a noisy, screamy kind of band, but when he actually listened to them, he realized that they were the evolution of old progressive rock bands. Heavier, yes, but still progressive. Progression can basically be interpreted as evolution, so nothing strange there.
So I think the term progressive Death Metal suits fine.
And Doom Metal is Candlemass, dammit. They started the fucking genre, so they deserve mention there.
And as for Black Metal, it is also a quite broad genre, so if someone thinks it sucks, I both agree and disagree. I don't like the old 80's black stuff, but new black metal such as Naglfar is really good.
And don't you fucking argue with me about Naglfar being black metal, or you will die impaled on a burning cross with inverted pentagrams cut into your private parts.
*mumble mumble*
So I think the term progressive Death Metal suits fine.
And Doom Metal is Candlemass, dammit. They started the fucking genre, so they deserve mention there.
And as for Black Metal, it is also a quite broad genre, so if someone thinks it sucks, I both agree and disagree. I don't like the old 80's black stuff, but new black metal such as Naglfar is really good.
And don't you fucking argue with me about Naglfar being black metal, or you will die impaled on a burning cross with inverted pentagrams cut into your private parts.
*mumble mumble*
Christ you people, stop arguing over SEMANTICS!
The genre definitions are simply there as a GUIDELINE, and more often than not, there are characteristics which appear in MOST ARTISTS works, within a single genre... but just because any given artist is missing ONE PARTICULAR ASPECT of the many associated with siad genre, it doesn't mean that they are excluded from it!
Over the last 5-10 years we've gone from 'metal' to 'death metal' and 'black metal', and these have spewed forth DOZENS of subgenre's as new. UNIQUE (relatively speaking) bands have come out.
For example, OPETH were so hard to pigeon-hole at first that 'progressive (death) metal' was spawned first with them in mind (and a few other bands since). Later people have started referring to them as 'melodic death metal' since arguably more purely progressive bands (subjective of course) made their way onto the scene.
For my piece of mind though, I consider Opeth to have started out in the black metal genre with their first release (minus the anti-christian stance/lyrics of course) and un subsequent releases they moved onto death metal.... of course, these are simpifications, as you can go further to categorise them... fi you wish.
This is usually the point where I or someone else says "Opeth Aren't 'Black Metal' or 'Death Metal', they're 'Opeth'." But it would be stupid to identify a genre, if you will, by a single band.... in this any many other cases. That kinda defeats the purpose of a 'genre' now, doesn't it?
P.S. And Black Metal without symphonic elements suck.
The genre definitions are simply there as a GUIDELINE, and more often than not, there are characteristics which appear in MOST ARTISTS works, within a single genre... but just because any given artist is missing ONE PARTICULAR ASPECT of the many associated with siad genre, it doesn't mean that they are excluded from it!
Over the last 5-10 years we've gone from 'metal' to 'death metal' and 'black metal', and these have spewed forth DOZENS of subgenre's as new. UNIQUE (relatively speaking) bands have come out.
For example, OPETH were so hard to pigeon-hole at first that 'progressive (death) metal' was spawned first with them in mind (and a few other bands since). Later people have started referring to them as 'melodic death metal' since arguably more purely progressive bands (subjective of course) made their way onto the scene.
For my piece of mind though, I consider Opeth to have started out in the black metal genre with their first release (minus the anti-christian stance/lyrics of course) and un subsequent releases they moved onto death metal.... of course, these are simpifications, as you can go further to categorise them... fi you wish.
This is usually the point where I or someone else says "Opeth Aren't 'Black Metal' or 'Death Metal', they're 'Opeth'." But it would be stupid to identify a genre, if you will, by a single band.... in this any many other cases. That kinda defeats the purpose of a 'genre' now, doesn't it?
P.S. And Black Metal without symphonic elements suck.
Shadowthrone
I Fuck Snow
.S. And Black Metal without symphonic elements suck. 
Heliologue
neologist
this is century media's fault. century black released the first two, and put a song on the "firestarter vol. 1" compilation, so that's where people got the impression that opeth are black metal. i'm still waiting for firestarter vol. 2.
MasterOLightning
Optimator
FretsAflame
Undercover Shredder
Dan said:
Ah, the hopelessly disillusioned and pretentious...
Of course I have heard posessed, some would consider them to be first true Death Metal band. Yes, it's true, this genre was originally created by a group of depressed teens with nothing better to do than sit in their garage drinking beers and attempting to conjure up the lord of darkness and eternal damnation with their thrash-based riffs and low frequency screams. Death is another good example of thrash based riffs implemented with harsh vocals and, that's right bitch, DEATH-ORIENTED LYRICS.
I find it laughable that you believe my description to be inadequate, yet see fit to reply with the most basic, simple, stripped down and may I add incorrect response due to it's lack of cohesive thought patterning.
Hardcore and punk form death metal in the early nineties? What the fuck man...
Slayer's "Reign in Blood" was one of the most controversial albums (lyrically speaking) of the year 1986. 1986! That's 17 years ago. Bands like Carcass and Morbid Angel were pioneering the genre before that even! To attribute the evolution of Death Metal as a genre to punk and hardcore is to discredit these great hardworking and inspirational bands.
Seriously, form a complex thought and support it with decent evidence before you contest someone else's opinion and criticize their presentation.
Then I guess there's a ton of death metal bands that aren't death metal because not all sing about death and gore, and blah blah blah.FretsAflame said:
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Hardcore played a huge part in forming the brutal death metal scene. Where do you think blast beats, which are a huge part of death metal, came from? Hardcore, which is a souped up version of punk. You'd have to be crazy in discrediting what punk did for metal. Hell, it basically helped the formation of the thrash genre as we know it.
Yonder
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Yeah, that's nice. Sometimes to me Opeth are fantasy metal, sometimes they are perfection metal, sometimes lyrical metal, sometimes fog metal or swamp metal...MasterOLightning said:
I don't want to dive too deep into your discussion about what Opeth exactly are, because I don't think that leads to any goal. But I want to tell you that I'm just listening to minutes 9.40 to 11.18 from "Blackwater Park" over and over again as I love it so much. No matter what style you call it
They don't remind me terribly of death metal either, not in a genre..ical way. There's the vocals and a lot of riffs, but their song structure and progression as well as a lot of the music (especially the folky sort of sound that they've been moving away from), and the heavy/acoustic dynamics seem more influenced by black metal. I mean, they're not doing blastbeat tremelo parts and shrieking about Odin, but it's there. Still, it's not dominant, so I'd just go with the catchall "progressive extreme metal".
Also: whoever equated black metal with synths, go die.
Also: whoever equated black metal with synths, go die.
FretsAflame
Undercover Shredder
Dan said:
Dan said:
I guess it will suffice for me to label you as retarded/learning disabled.
You might actually want to read my posts before commenting on them, and as for the punk/hardcore contribution to metal, it was the reverse.
If you don't understand what I mean by that then you're just not paying attention.
AtypicalSubconsciei
Vegetarian Cannibal
FretsAflame
Undercover Shredder
segaszivos
Member
"forest metal"
I haven't heard that classification of metal, but Opeth does have that sound that makes it seem like a forest atmosphere and it certainly is Metal. I would say that this might be the best classification (considering that I haven't heard any other forest metal that I know of...).
I haven't heard that classification of metal, but Opeth does have that sound that makes it seem like a forest atmosphere and it certainly is Metal. I would say that this might be the best classification (considering that I haven't heard any other forest metal that I know of...).
AtypicalSubconsciei
Vegetarian Cannibal
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