Radiohead Vs Porcupine Tree

Liquid Diamonds said:
I think you may just be trying to wind me up lol. But I would like to stress that my Dad listens to a huge variety of stuff. Lots of jazz, classical, some soulful classics. He's big on Ray Charles. He got me into Portishead. He thinks Opeth are fantastic other than the growls. I'm enjoying the album 'Drums Unlimited' by Max Roach, which he introduced me to. Only been able to hear it while I've been home, because it's on vinyl, but it's awesome.

I owe a lot of my musicality and love of music to him. Sorry, this rant was kinda pointless :p
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nah i was just winding you up. i personally agree with yur dad
 
Liquid Diamonds said:
Arguable. But possibly not entirely correct.

I do agree to the extent that none of the other genuinely influential bands would have existed without The Beatles.
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I wouldn't go as far to say the other bands wouldn't have existed but I would say that The Beatles had more of an impact on music overall and achieved much more in a far shorter time.
 
Benighted1 said:
I wouldn't go as far to say the other bands wouldn't have existed but I would say that The Beatles had more of an impact on music overall and achieved much more in a far shorter time.
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Ok, maybe they would have existed. But they would have sounded kinda different.

And I see where you're coming from, for sure. But my Launchcast Radio Player just brought up 'Karma Police' by Radiohead, and yeah... this is pretty much as good a song as has been written by anyone as far as I'm concerned. Just... absolute genius. I had a similar experience the other day when my mp3 brought up 'Let It Be'.

If I ever write a song one thousandth as good as either of those, I'll die a happy man.
 
Liquid Diamonds said:
Ok, maybe they would have existed. But they would have sounded kinda different.

And I see where you're coming from, for sure. But my Launchcast Radio Player just brought up 'Karma Police' by Radiohead, and yeah... this is pretty much as good a song as has been written by anyone as far as I'm concerned. Just... absolute genius. I had a similar experience the other day when my mp3 brought up 'Let It Be'.

If I ever write a song one thousandth as good as either of those, I'll die a happy man.
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Im not saying that Radiohead don't write amazing songs, (coz they do) Im saying that they haven't had anywhere near as much of an impact on music as a whole as The Beatles have.
 
Benighted1 said:
Im not saying that Radiohead don't write amazing songs, (coz they do) Im saying that they haven't had anywhere near as much of an impact on music as a whole as The Beatles have.
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Yes, yes, fair. But... I feel like popular music has expanded and developed so far since the era of The Beatles that it's much more difficult to measure the influence of a band these days. So much more moulding and diversification has happened since The Beatles, it's nigh on impossible for anyone to be as totally original as they were. If that makes any sense :erk:
 
The Beatles may have had a larger impact on popular music than any other band, but come on people, while they're incredible, they're certainly not the end all be all of music.
 
Benighted1 said:
well thats true of course but I would probably go as far to say most important band of the 20th century?
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"The fact that so many books still name the Beatles "the greatest or most significant or most influential" rock band ever only tells you how far rock music still is from becoming a serious art. Jazz critics have long recognized that the greatest jazz musicians of all times are Duke Ellington and John Coltrane, who were not the most famous or richest or best sellers of their times, let alone of all times. Classical critics rank the highly controversial Beethoven over classical musicians who were highly popular in courts around Europe. Rock critics are still blinded by commercial success: the Beatles sold more than anyone else (not true, by the way), therefore they must have been the greatest. Jazz critics grow up listening to a lot of jazz music of the past, classical critics grow up listening to a lot of classical music of the past. Rock critics are often totally ignorant of the rock music of the past, they barely know the best sellers. No wonder they will think that the Beatles did anything worth of being saved."

Read more @ http://www.scaruffi.com/vol1/beatles.html
 
hibernal_dream said:
"The fact that so many books still name the Beatles "the greatest or most significant or most influential" rock band ever only tells you how far rock music still is from becoming a serious art. Jazz critics have long recognized that the greatest jazz musicians of all times are Duke Ellington and John Coltrane, who were not the most famous or richest or best sellers of their times, let alone of all times. Classical critics rank the highly controversial Beethoven over classical musicians who were highly popular in courts around Europe. Rock critics are still blinded by commercial success: the Beatles sold more than anyone else (not true, by the way), therefore they must have been the greatest. Jazz critics grow up listening to a lot of jazz music of the past, classical critics grow up listening to a lot of classical music of the past. Rock critics are often totally ignorant of the rock music of the past, they barely know the best sellers. No wonder they will think that the Beatles did anything worth of being saved."

Read more @ http://www.scaruffi.com/vol1/beatles.html
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That whole excerpt is pretty dumb afaict.
 
i don't care who is more important or more influential in the grand scheme of things. all i know is that radiohead has a lot of songs that have a certain effect on me, whereas the beatles have very little to offer me at this point.
 
That excerpt is pathetic. Its attempting to make a statement about the Beatles not being that great, meanwhile it never so much as addresses their countless innovations in the studio, achievements in arrangement and vocal harmony, etc. In fact, it doesn't even discuss their music at all. Pretty much, its saying "They're popular so they obviously aren't the best, durrrrr stupid rock critics!"
 
The thing with that fucking Beatles worship is that people get lazy and don't care about the artists that influenced them (some people believe the beatles invented pop music but they didn't create their sound ex Nihilo you know) and their contemporaries like the Kinks who were brilliant.

Anyway, this thread is fascinating and therefore I choose

Art Tatum between the two .
 
Demilich said:
That excerpt is pathetic. Its attempting to make a statement about the Beatles not being that great, meanwhile it never so much as addresses their countless innovations in the studio, achievements in arrangement and vocal harmony, etc. In fact, it doesn't even discuss their music at all. Pretty much, its saying "They're popular so they obviously aren't the best, durrrrr stupid rock critics!"
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Partially. It focuses a bit too much on commercial success for me too. You'd expect that given that it was written for a popular audience (they are Beatles fans after all). It does however attribute all their innovations in arrangement etc to George Martin, their producer.
 
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