clangorous said:
Coming to the argument about Religion, God and Shit, I think the concept of God itself is overrated, Religion- its good to some extent since it brings unity and stuff, but as already posted by someone even i feel No Religion is as Peaceful as Buddhism, Lot of Religion talk of non violence , Peace and shit but What do they do ???, They end up doing Holy Wars !!!
clangorous, I am not going to tell you to 'fuck off' simply because you misinterpreted the whole concept of Religion. I just want you to know that there's no bad blood there, but I need to tell you some stuff first, because your understanding and your take on religion has no intelligent thought to it at all.
Granted, yes, religion is open to interpretation as there is no solid evidence of religious FACT. HOWEVER, your understanding of God is not right. You see religion and God at face value, you seem to take everything as it is fed to you without actually looking behind it at the true meaning. the priests and the child molesting deals. The priests and what they stand for are definitely the epitome of religion, yet their actions don't always prove that true. their actions, however, cannot be held against their religion. Their actions are human, not divine. Humans hold within them the capacity for good and evil and not EVERY LITTLE THING THEY DO HAS to be strictly GOOD and it will most likely NOT be, as we can erre. That's what the concept of forgiveness is for.
A note on the holy way line, don't EVER try to pull that shit on a Christian offline, because it has no validity to it whatsoever. Future generations cannot be blamed for past generations' problems and mistakes, so don't throw that label on every Christian, as you will find 90% of them agree that what the church did then was very wrong. They acted out of haste rather than out of right thinking.
As somebody mentioned i too believe in Bertrand Russel's opinions !!! With Knowledge, Courage and Kindness Any thing can be achieved, No need for any concept of God or Religion. IMO Religion is promoting more violence than doin otherwise.
On what grounds are you saying this? There are many different images of what religion is, as is there many different divisions under the title 'Religion', but violence is not one of them. some people manipulate the ideas and thoughts and practices behind religion to get people to believe that violence in the name of God is the way. I will never understand this, though I do know it is a conscious human decision to act that way and not a flaw of the religious system. And there IS a need for a concept of God, or a higher being/power. There had to have been. You can't tell me you actually believe existence was created from some cosmic accident can you? What do you attribute the accident to then?
Here is the arguments for the existence of God. These were made by Tomas Aquinas and to this day, have not been defeated and cannot be proven wrong:
1. Motion cannot start itself, but must be started by something already in motion. An infinite chain of movers is impossible, for then there would be no first mover and therefore no motion at all. The chain MUST have a beginning. The unmoved mover is the one whom we call God.
2. Certain events are caused by other events, which are themselves caused by prior events, and so on. As above the causal chain cannot be infinite. The uncaused first cause is the one whom we call God.
3. Certain things are temporary, their existence unoriginal. Their existence is possible rather than necessary. The chain of unoriginal existence cannot be infinite but must find its source in a self-existent necessary being. This self-existent necessary being is the one whom we call God.
4. We judge certain things to have a lesser degree of perfection than others. Relative assessments require an absolute standard of perfection. This absolute standard, God, must exist.
5. Inanimate things function together to accomplish an ordered purpose. This cannot occur by chance but requires an intelligent designer. The designer is the one whom we call God.
As I said, to this day these 5 arguments have not been disputed, cannot be proven wrong, and has been contemplated by men of great knowledge who still cannot deny it. Tomas Aquinas used Aristotlean and Platonic knowledge as the philosophical basis of his arguments. Of course YOU can choose not to believe anything I'm saying or the words I'm quoting because that's the beauty of being human. you have CHOICE, as He designed us to have. but as they say, ignorance is bliss, so go ahead and enjoy your momentary bliss and live how you want. Just forget everything I ever said and block it out of your mind. I'm guessing that's what most of you will do anyway in response to this, which is why I decided to stop replying to the thread in the first place. I've already said before that I can't explain anything to you and try to give at least some tiny understanding of Christianity if you don't have an open ear to receive it.
Atleast in my so called Religion (Supposed to be Hindu) Sex is considered Sacred
(Kamasutra written by Vatsyana). but still in my country Sex is a Taboo amongst People, Most ironic thing is we are the Second most populated country LOL
. The only reason i personally like satanic lyrics coz i hate the concept of God and Religion and these songs are good to annoy religious dumb fucks
. i love this line in one of the Enigma's Songs
If you believe in God its because of the Devil
, So if god really does exist , I will take the side of Satan (who atleast fulfills our Temptations)
its time for Satan to take over !!!
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these are by far your stupidest statements. the 'temptations' are worthless and are only meant for temporary false happiness. What will you do when your life is over? where will you go and what happened to all your earthly pleasures? could it be that they are only... temporary? only existing on the human plane? these earthly desires and pleasures are worthless and pointless and created by HUMANS who have the ability to erre, and obviously have done so at some point in history. you need to start looking indepth to what you are being spoonfed like a baby from these bands and from whoever's telling you all this bullshit.
well, I've tried to give you insight... take it or leave it. you can diss/bash me however you see fit, as I know a good 95% of you are highly opinionated.
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