Steve Wilson and Opeth

[the_3_toed_sloth]

what are you guys talking about? he DOES write music for money. how else would you and i know about opeth if he didnt? to think that mike is *completely* immune to the lures of commercialism is naive. listen: im NOT saying mike *is* thinking about how to sell more albums; im suggesting that hes not immune to it.
these underground musicians have integrity and play for the music but they also get paid! although theyre not switching formats and going pop, that doesnt mean they arent thinking how to move out of that shitty apartment and into a house.

Hahahah, thats pathetic. Are you really so cynical about music that you think bands cannot release music for the sake of releasing the music they want to create? Must a bigger house always be the carrot dangled in front for someone to do something? Shit, Opeth are living a dream - constantly coming out with fresh, new music that doesn't match fans expectations, grows from the past and is not radio-friendly....and they are able to earn a living from doing that! Money doesn't tell them how to proceed, but gives them the freedom to decide how to proceed. Orchid was great in its day...but the recording quality was a piece of crap. I guarantee you that Opeth would much prefer to use a more costly, and quality production (ie. Deliverance) if given the choice over again...no artist purposely wants to create great music, then record it shoddily.

no one wants to answer my question: what does mike plan on doing when opeth fizzles out?

Fizzles out? Why should he be thinking about failure when Opeth are moving from strength to strength? Do you plan on getting fired? Maybe they will set up their own production company...maybe they will set up their own record label....maybe they will invest wisely and live off the proceeds...maybe they will live a quiet retirement off of the earnings over there 15 records they SHALL release in their long, brilliant careers. Who knows? I doubt they are really thinking that far ahead when the here and now is working so well for them - making awesome music regardless of what other people tell them that they want to hear, and being paid for it!

 

[dorian gray]

dorian, there's no need to turn this into a personal debate. Personal attacks exhibit genuine frustration on forums, and generally make you look like a fucktard. Whatever LordHypno's opinions are regarding contemporary music production, they don't correlate with his personal life nor his profession (not that I've seen anyway), so there is no need to bring them into this.

dude, my personal attack *was* lame but my questions were central to my argument and i stand by them. i *was* frustrated as i was having an extremely bad day. i would apologize to LoGaP but he doesnt give a shit. which is cool i guess.

but wait, did you just call me a fucktard? thats not very consistent....

 

[NFU]

dude, my personal attack *was* lame but my questions were central to my argument and i stand by them. i *was* frustrated as i was having an extremely bad day. i would apologize to LoGaP but he doesnt give a shit. which is cool i guess.

youre right about everything...your personal attack was lame. your comments were because you were having a bad day (which is also lame).




and i most certainly dont give a shit about your apology. id have to be threatened or concerned with your lame attempts to insult me and thus offended by them in order to care about an apology.

 

[dorian gray]

the 3 toed sloth: thanks for your genuine thoughts. my use of "moving out of a shitty apartment and into a house" wasnt a good example for this crowd i guess. i agree with you that opeth are living a dream. they are doing exactly what they want and get paid for it. what i continue to postulate is that they arent a band of super heroes that are immune to commercialism. there is nothing special about mike. i say this because the genre of music of which he is a part of existed before him. he and opeth make fantastic music but they are nothing that original or special.
to think that opeth only play music *only* for themselves is terribly naive. if so, they would be like other artists before them and not bother to record their work. thats the bottom line. opeth make music but they sought out to make a living doing it. they just happen to fit into an established genre. for those reasons, they *are* susceptible to commercialism. it doesnt matter how miniscle the influence is, it still counts.

thanks for answering my question. i will answer yours: yes, i do plan on being fired. i plan on alot of contingencies. that may sound boring but the mature adults i know do the same thing. its the people i know that dont who are miserable.
im not trying to say that opeth WILL fizzle out and die and mike and his wife will live on the street. i sure hope they dont. i also wouldnt find it inconceivable that they are all smart enough to invest wisely. im sure they do. what im trying to do is dispel this myth that opeth are super heroes that arent affected by the world around them.

 

[NFU]

the 3 toed sloth: thanks for your genuine thoughts. my use of "moving out of a shitty apartment and into a house" wasnt a good example for this crowd i guess. i agree with you that opeth are living a dream. they are doing exactly what they want and get paid for it. what i continue to postulate is that they arent a band of super heroes that are immune to commercialism. there is nothing special about mike. i say this because the genre of music of which he is a part of existed before him. he and opeth make fantastic music but they are nothing that original or special.
to think that opeth only play music *only* for themselves is terribly naive. if so, they would be like other artists before them and not bother to record their work. thats the bottom line. opeth make music but they sought out to make a living doing it. they just happen to fit into an established genre. for those reasons, they *are* susceptible to commercialism. it doesnt matter how miniscle the influence is, it still counts.

thanks for answering my question. i will answer yours: yes, i do plan on being fired. i plan on alot of contingencies. that may sound boring but the mature adults i know do the same thing. its the people i know that dont who are miserable.
im not trying to say that opeth WILL fizzle out and die and mike and his wife will live on the street. i sure hope they dont. i also wouldnt find it inconceivable that they are all smart enough to invest wisely. im sure they do. what im trying to do is dispel this myth that opeth are super heroes that arent affected by the world around them.

First of all Dorian Gay, what you are expressing here as fact, is comprised almost entirely of your opinion. Opeth are indeed special, even though you fail to see this, and i will tell you why...

They transcend any barrier the genre you claim they merely fit into has been able to do. They have outsold nearly every Death Metal band to date, they have outbooked and through almost word of mouth alone, created more of a media stir than most metal bands will ever hope to do in their lifetime. They continue to progress, without compromising what they want to write on an album to album basis (regardless what you say), and in the process created an income because of it of the magnitude which is career level at this point.

Opeth never intended to "live off" this band regardless what you think, and they have expressed such many times over, along with the contradictions to many allogations and assumptions of their motive and character you made earlier.

Your point is shit. Your opinons are devoid of any factual basis, and is merely some sort of lame attempt at appearing like youre NOT the fan boy you appeared to be so exquisitely in the past few months on here. You really dont know what youre talking about, and any further attempt to appear as you do will be disregarded by any viewer on this forum as nothing but pointless dribble and redundant presumptuous nonsense trying to ground the ego of the band's forum you are posting on, when really its just drowning your own.

in other words, stfu.

 

[Mirrored Ghost]

^^^ *applauds*

and the 3_toed_sloth took the words right out of my mouth.


dorian, it's obvious that Opeth is not a commercial band for all the reasons previously stated. You even said yourself and I'll quote you.....

"im NOT saying mike *is* thinking about how to sell more albums"

However, you keep repeating that they are not "immune" to commercialism, blah blah blah. Well, whether they are immune or not, unless Opeth turns commercial on our asses, your argument is irrelevant. So why continue with it???

 

[dorian gray]

Dorian Gay

owned.
that was a scintilating response. i like it. its better than the "how small is mikes dick?" thread. i will post more when i can come up with another irrelevant argument. probably wont be long.
love to all!

 

[dorian gray]

why did you read it?

 

[Nico]

This thread has AIDS.

 

[Ermz]

Only cos you post here

 

[Nico]

Aye, and I'll remember to avoid it like the plague in future.

 

[mot-]

Condoms for free!

 

[nicemarmot]

for i had an unusally busy and grown up childhood.

michael jackson had the same problem

 

[NFU]

michael jackson had the same problem

your wit is uncanny n00b.

 

[Hulk Hogan]

Opeth is death metal=?

 

[NFU]

Opeth is death metal=?

try to stay with the rest of the family.

 

[Hulk Hogan]

you keep telling me lies...