the election, and stuff..

[Mark]

I'd pay more credence to someone who gets their information from a variety of sources that someone who thinks they know it all just because they studied it for 4 years

(Maybe because students shit me)

 

[Shannow]

Yes, but what are we talking about? Is that how much the gun buy-back was?

Yep, that was the first buyback.

There've been more since then.

And this July, they increased the licence fee for legal firearm owners from $75 to $200.

 

[phlogiston]

I don't get all my info from the fucking news.I used that as an example. My father was an Accountant and financial advisor for over 20yrs, one of my uncles was a manager of a bank for his entire working career. I read the paper, time magazine plus many other forms of print media. Don't put me in a box with an in-appropiate label.

My father built truck bodies and houses for 20 years, but it doesn't mean I can drill a hole to save my life.

And just for the record, I wasn't claiming that you were ignorant or that you didn't know what you were talking about. I'm sure that you're well read and have your head screwed on straight. You know more about it than I do. But I was making the point that Sydo probably watches the news, reads time magazine and many other forms of print media, as well as studying this shit for 4 fucking years. If I'm going to trust what someone says, then I'm going to trust someone who has studied it and has experience in it. If I had a broken leg, I'd trust a doctor over a mechanic. If my car broke down, I'd take it to a mechanic. Exactly the same as if the conversation was about nursing. Then your word would carry more weight than Sydo's. And Gorey would win if we talk about fighting fires, and LT if it's about making albums, and Spawny's if it's about how shit Sydneys trains are, and Southy's if we're talking about head-butting.

Stop taking things so personally all of the time.

 

[Mark]

Gorey's a fire fighter?

 

[Spiff]

What's my specialty, Phloggy?

 

[Sydo]

I'd pay more credence to someone who gets their information from a variety of sources that someone who thinks they know it all just because they studied it for 4 years

Ripper advice..

 

[Southy]

Southy's if we're talking about head-butting.

 

[Goreripper]

I'm not a firefighter Mark, but I work for a firefighting agency.

 

[Mark]

Spiff: shit-stirring

Gorey: cool! What do you do there?

 

[phlogiston]

Which is what I mean. Gorey's not really a firefighter, but he's closer to it than anyone else I know, so his comments would have more weight behind them.

Spiff: I don't know. I tried to work you in there somehow, and I was thinking about KFC, but Koich works there and...you know. Don't worry, I'm not sure where I fit in the picture either. Ooh! You annoy more people on here than I do. How about that?

 

[phlogiston]

See? Mark agrees too. Shit stirring it is.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Now I know the labor party knows a lot more about economics than I do, they’re not arrogant towards the subject (although slightly Marxist). My problem is that I always feel they tend to ignore, or at least push it aside, for the simply sake of gaining power. I guess that’s understandable because a politicians ‘job’ is to get elected.

I can only use history to support my stance that Labor cannot manage the economy. The Lib's were fortunate in that they were able to learn from the mistakes of Hawk and Keating. No doubt the current Labor team has learnt from those mistakes too and now from the success of the Liberal's. So should Labor win power, I doubt the economy would suffer - but history still tells a tale..

So these are the main reasons you are weary of supporting Labor?

 

[MetalWarriorSteve]

D-day approaches,

The ALP is for people who THINK they are voting for the working class and better public health, schooling, social welfare etc. That's what the ALP claim... they promise what they can not eventually fund and then end up being liar's and screwing you over. Then after years of destroying the economy, the Liberals have to stand strong and repair the damage. With ALP, you are voting for LEFT wing policies that have proven destroy countries. Look at the history of Eastern Europe and South America. Examples: USSR, Yugoslavia, Cuba.

Sure, they were Socialist/Communist nations with dictatorship rule, but the ALP hold very similar values that have already been proven not to work in those countries and in their own right with Hawke/Keating etc.

The Liberals have been strong, Australian's have been on call to save the country from the damage the ALP left behind. The Liberal's have saved the economy from disaster and not only saved it but put Australia at the top of the world economically.

Tougher in some ways, but the rewards have been greater FOR ALL. From managing the economy so well that our interest rates are so low to bonus payments for families.
From grants to protecting our borders. Our Northern neighbours were sniffing around during the ALP rule. Instead, we have gone North and given freedom to East Timor instead of being invaded ourselves.

Australia has a future thanks to The Libs and Howard. This is an ageing country and we need leadership. With The ALP at the helm together with Garrett and the Greens, it's a recipe for disaster.

You can also expect to see less bands because the conditions that will be imposed by labour and their counterparts at the MUA will make it difficult for promoters and the bands themselves to be granted visa's. Think about it, look at all the bands coming out!!! You never had that with the ALP!!!

In theory, what the ALP preach may sound good but it's not realistic. It never has been! History has proven that.

Australia needs to stand strong and continue to lead the way. Over the past few years, with all the terrorism issues, Australia (unlike anywhere else in the world) has continued to grow. That's good work by the Government. Our children have a future to look forward to.

How is any individual really worse off when the future is bright? Everyone has a chance if they really want to take it.

Hey, I am not a real fan of any political part here. It's a matter of really taking a close look at the politics. Looking at what is better for Australia and not fantasising about handouts that are unrealistic that will lead the country into collapse by running out of money to fund the promises and getting into foreign debt. and basically becoming a nothing. The handouts will stop and the country will become ruin. The ALP is not good for Australia or it's future.

Leave the country in the hands of those that know how to run it!

and if you don't give a shit about it, then atleast consider it from the perspective of a Metal fan that will continue to see more bands tour Australia. I can tell you that as a promoter myself, I will very unlikely be bringing bands out if the ALP win and I'm not the only one and I'm sure that for those that may continue to bring bands out, a lot of bands won't be happy about being FORCED to join the (MUA) Union. A lot of them will pull out because of it...

Voting Liberal & Howard is a vote for a positive future

Voting ALP is a vote for disaster... They are a joke!!! Their leader is a joke and his team is a joke... Garrett and their teaming up with the Greens... Gimme a break. My parents fled from Socialism, here it is knocking on the door of their new home, Australia. It's a bloody scary thought.

Take a good look at the facts and make your vote count!

Steve Ravic
Metal Warriors

 

[KoichCPA]

and if you don't give a shit about it, then atleast consider it from the perspective of a Metal fan that will continue to see more bands tour Australia. I can tell you that as a promoter myself, I will very unlikely be bringing bands out if the ALP win and I'm not the only one and I'm sure that for those that may continue to bring bands out, a lot of bands won't be happy about being FORCED to join the (MUA) Union. A lot of them will pull out because of it...

And what about Australian bands and small record labels getting grants and subsidies to record and promote australian arts? Do you think this is a bad idea?

You are blowing the whole socialist angle out of the water too,even though they are left leaning, they are still basically a moderate party.

Now if I wanted to vote for a socialist party, I would vote for the Socialist Alliance. I don't, I am for the left however. I will agree with you that socialism in general has not worked, and labor are not advocating it. They are however advocating such things that given my stance and my socio-economic position that I agree with. I am at the very lowest point of income, I live just above the poverty line and have been since I moved out of home to study, I can't get any government assitance because of stupid polices made by the liberal about my parents income. They won't support me, even though they can afford too.

I am willing to give it a try, unless the party is run by the exact same people it was in previous governments, then comparing it to previous labor governments doesn't achieve anything.

 

[Connie Fixx]

hahaha Vote 1 Liberals or the puppy gets it

 

[KoichCPA]

You can also expect to see less bands because the conditions that will be imposed by labour and their counterparts at the MUA will make it difficult for promoters and the bands themselves to be granted visa's. Think about it, look at all the bands coming out!!! You never had that with the ALP!!!

the perspective of a Metal fan that will continue to see more bands tour Australia. I can tell you that as a promoter myself, I will very unlikely be bringing bands out if the ALP win and I'm not the only one and I'm sure that for those that may continue to bring bands out, a lot of bands won't be happy about being FORCED to join the (MUA) Union. A lot of them will pull out because of it...

Steve this is absolute bullshit.

The reason we didn't have bands touring with the ALP was because a)promoters were fewer and b) the metal scene was smaller.

The fact you are threatning not to bring bands over if labor is elected is absolute shit too, do you even give a fuck about the Australian scene? To be honest, if this is going to be your attitude about the whole thing you are fairly self centred. If this is going to be your attitude, we don't want you bringing out bands as you cleary are doing it for the wrong reasons. I would much rather have the ALP giving grants to musicians to record and promote their own material, and have a stronger aussie metal scene, than have a few international bands every year. What you just said was childish and immature. If you truly are "for the spirit of metal" as you claim, regardless of these "visa conditions" you mentioned, you would find a way to bring bands over


I have only liked 1 band you have ever bought over, it's honestly no personal loss to me if you stop. I however, think of the greater picture as I know what happens when you do, local bands get hookups overseas.

As for your little spiel on visa's. Show me some credible evidence for this.

 

[KoichCPA]

hahaha Vote 1 Liberals or the puppy gets it

Connie, this just redeemed you in my eyes. I no longer think you are an idiot.

:Spin:

Let's be friends.

 

[Connie Fixx]

D-day approaches,

Tougher in some ways, but the rewards have been greater FOR ALL. From managing the economy so well that our interest rates are so low to bonus payments for families.
From grants to protecting our borders. Our Northern neighbours were sniffing around during the ALP rule. Instead, we have gone North and given freedom to East Timor instead of being invaded ourselves.


Steve Ravic
Metal Warriors

mate selling off assets isnt good for the economy in the long run
but freedom for East Timor was. gas fields anyone? sounds alot like yanks giving "freedom" to other countrys and getting cheap/free oil in return

 

[MetalWarriorSteve]

And what about Australian bands and small record labels getting grants and subsidies to record and promote australian arts? Do you think this is a bad idea?

Steve says: No, it's never a bad idea but I like to read between the lines. Under the Liberal Government, I have literally assisted 2 Australian Metal bands get grants. I applied for a grant long ago under the ALP, by being declined that's how I basically started the concept of Metal Warriors. The idea was to get together all the well known OZ bands, do a song together as a tribute to Metal and make a Tribute to Metal doco. I got outdone by a photographer that wanted to take pics of the Yahtzee River in China from different perspectives and different parts of China. The person gets twice as much as what I asked for...

Well, I myself ended up getting a Lib introduced Grant for starting Samson (Video) Productions & Metal Warriors.
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(Koich) You are blowing the whole socialist angle out of the water too,even though they are left leaning, they are still basically a moderate party.

Steve says: Maybe... maybe but check out the unholy alliance that is forming not only behind the scenes but before our eyes. Regardless, anything left is doomed for failure...
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(Koich) Now if I wanted to vote for a socialist party, I would vote for the Socialist Alliance. I don't, I am for the left however. I will agree with you that socialism in general has not worked, and labor are not advocating it. They are however advocating such things that given my stance and my socio-economic position that I agree with. I am at the very lowest point of income, I live just above the poverty line and have been since I moved out of home to study, I can't get any government assitance because of stupid polices made by the liberal about my parents income. They won't support me, even though they can afford too.

Steve says: I've been saved by this Government many a time. The ALP had similar policies when I was a teen going to school. It was based on parents income. At the time, my old man AND my old lady had serious accidents within a year and from someone getting no support, I ended up getting Austudy so things have not drastically changed. Has the ALP offered to change this?

(Koich) I am willing to give it a try, unless the party is run by the exact same people it was in previous governments, then comparing it to previous labor governments doesn't achieve anything.

Steve says: Well, the same people are there... the same people that screwed up under Hawke/Keating but on top of it, you have a bunch of idiots and losers running the party. Latham + Garrett? Now that is a JOKE. Really, hown can anyone take them seriously.

If they were to run the country, they'd run it into the ground so badly that in 10-20 years, we won't have a budget to support pensioners for our growing population, let alone the youth.

We need to continue to stimulate business, to keep the economy growing. If we kill business, then we lose jobs, then income from taxes declines whilst spending increases and when the two cross paths, we enter a very dangerous period that could effect the well being of this country and our children.

Then the Government gets desparate, starts taking from the rich, making it 'publicly owned', spending continues, the economy stops and surprise, surprise, a moderate left wing party becomes Socialist and so it goes on...
Prices drop, the economy drops so wages drop, people head abroad and the Government becomes desparate and starts handing positions out to Party/Union members and friends whilst the truly need REALLY begin to suffer. Poverty is WORSE in the majority of left wing countries. That is a FACT.

OK, it may not go that far here in Australia, by why head in that direction at all when we can avoid it.

I always say that I'll have more respect for someone that will stick me in the chest then someone that will lie to me in the face and stab me in the back.

Cheers
Steve

 

[MetalWarriorSteve]

Steve this is absolute bullshit.

The reason we didn't have bands touring with the ALP was because a)promoters were fewer and b) the metal scene was smaller.

Steve says:
BULLSHIT back at you. The Metal scene was bigger! I was in High School when WASP NEVER toured because of the ALP bullshit. Don't forget, the ALP gave FULL support to the PMRC. Remember that movement run by Tipper Gore, that wanted to abolish Metal from the face of the Earth. I remember it well mate!

(Koich) The fact you are threatning not to bring bands over if labor is elected is absolute shit too, do you even give a fuck about the Australian scene? To be honest, if this is going to be your attitude about the whole thing you are fairly self centred. If this is going to be your attitude, we don't want you bringing out bands as you cleary are doing it for the wrong reasons. I would much rather have the ALP giving grants to musicians to record and promote their own material, and have a stronger aussie metal scene, than have a few international bands every year. What you just said was childish and immature. If you truly are "for the spirit of metal" as you claim, regardless of these "visa conditions" you mentioned, you would find a way to bring bands over

Steve says: Why should I as a promoter and a band have to PAY the MUA thousands of dollars to get permission from the Union from a band to tour? We would run at a loss for bands like Edguy and Destruction AND the big one... Under the ALP, Australia bands HAD to be a part of the Union and pay membership to the union to be a support band. Now that's ripping local bands. Why should a local band be forced to be in the union to get a chance? That was ALP policy and will be when they start handing the power over to the Unions.

I'm not selfish because I don't want to lose money, declare bankrupcy and get in line to get handouts. I'm better off playing it safe by not bringing out bands. You don't know me mate, I only just manage to cover costs on these tours. With ALP policies, that $5,000 more in costs and that's money I can't afford to hand out to earn your respect and have my children starve. That's fact.


(Koich) I have only liked 1 band you have ever bought over, it's honestly no personal loss to me if you stop. I however, think of the greater picture as I know what happens when you do, local bands get hookups overseas.

As for your little spiel on visa's. Show me some credible evidence for this.

Steve says: Bands don't have to pay the union to get a support slot which is good for the locals and yes, local bands get hooked up overseas. I would not able to have done this with the ALP over a decade ago.

Evidence:

ALP: Promoters must get endorsed by the Union and EACH member of a touring International band MUST become a member of The MUA.
The Libs dropped this. You now only need to approach the Union for a recommendation, the band can join if they wish. Otherwise the promoter can still bring the band if they do not want to be members of The MUA as the DIMEA (govt. dept.) can overturn/reject the decision if the Union decline to endorse a tour.

I know this, because I go through this.

Cheers
Steve