the election, and stuff..

[dreamwatch]

This is cool, like a heavy metal Question Time.

If I lived in Oz and was allowed to vote I would vote for whoever Mark and Spiff voted for. If I lived in England and was allowed to vote and could be bothered I'd vote for the Lib Dems. If Howard hadn't been made leader of the Tory party I would have voted for them, but he is an evil fuck monster, like a flea that lives on Bush's sweaty bollock.

Well, I've thrown my hat in the ring.

 

[phlogiston]

It's becoming obvious what's happening. Those dirty, smelly horrible people who care about nothing other than money are voting Liberal, while those pure and nice people who actually give a damn about social issues are voting ALP.

Something else that we've got to remember though is that the decision we make on the weekend isn't actually forever. We get to make it again in 4 years time. I actually see this as a good thing, because lets face it, all the policies will be changed by then anyway.

In the process of this debate I've also discovered that someone with my political position is called a Social Democrat. That's right, I'm a socialist, but not right over to the left.

In fact, I actually like the theory behind Communism and think it would actually work, except for the fact that you have to get people involved and people are basically corrupt. And that you usually get to communism via revolution, and I'd rather get to where I want to be via evolution. That in itself makes me more moderate.

 

[phlogiston]

And I think the really important question here is:

Blity: Are you more edumacated now? Have we help with your decision making process? This has all been for your benefit, you know...

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Now you fuckers are confusing me even more. :Spin:

 

[phlogiston]

Oh.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

It is very interesting reading though.

 

[spawn]

Blitzy, you are single, young, have no kids and dont have a mortgage. Neither party offers you shit pretty much

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Exactly.

 

[Sydo]

So these are the main reasons you are weary of supporting Labor?

Yeah, pretty much. All my concerns largely seem to revert back to fears for our economy. Both parties have a bunch of policies that I support, and probably a greater number I don't like.

 

[Goreripper]

Did I read somewhere that someone said that most Vietnamese immigrants are now on welfare? Not only is that utterly wrong, even if it wasn't what the fuck has that got to do with anything? This forum needs a bullshit filter. Australia's immigration policy is bi-partisan. Both parties support it and neither will do much to change it. Immigration isn't even an issue in this election, unless you look at the refugee camp question, and only the Greens seem to be making that an issue. Peter Garrett won't be running the Government if Latham gets elected. He won't even have a major portfolio, if he even gets one. And it wouldn't matter what their policies were, I would find it extremely -- extremely -- difficult to vote for a party that could one day be headed by Abbott and Costello.

 

[Sydo]

I'll get back to Koichi and Steve's comments tonight - they sure made for some interesting reading. lol..
I've gotta do a fucking assignment today.

 

[spawn]

difficult to vote for a party that could one day be headed by Abbott and Costello.

Thats the reason I wont vote for Howard. But then, I dont think Latham and Labor will run the country well, they can only make all these big spending promises because the Liberals ran the budget into surplus. But if Costello got his hands on the Prime Minister role, everyone who isnt rich would be fucked. Howard at least has some moderation.

Id never EVER vote for the Greens or Democrats, so im pretty much left with the 3 day weekend party.

 

[Goreripper]

Howard has already sold us to the Americans. The thing that impressed me about Latham from the start was the way he stood up to Bush and told him what he really thought.

 

[spawn]

He only did that to win the public vote after the public outcry about Howard and how he dealt with the US.

 

[Sydo]

Howard has already sold us to the Americans.

What do you mean by that?
The war, or the FTA?

 

[MetalWarriorSteve]

You obviously don't know your politics steve, nor your history. Hitler called his party National Socialists in order to appeal to both sides.

Steve says: Hehe... Don't know my European WWII politics? That's something I know real well. The outside World's interpretation of National Socialism changed after the war. You can't base what a party is about based on what happened in a War. Hitler was a war criminal but not the biggest. Stalin was a bigger war criminal that killed more then twice the amount of people Hitler did. Because the US and Britain were War allies with the communists in Moscow, Stalin never got the profile of the biggest war criminal.

Then you have the United Dtates who committed the biggest single war crime of WWII by nuking Japan and the British did their thing as they turned a blind eye to the Yugoslav Communists mass killing a quarter of a million Croatians when the English turned over mostly innocent women and children to the slaughter in Bleiburg, Austria.

The losers became villians of history, the winners became heroes but the truth is that they were all criminals and the innocent suffered.

 

[spawn]

I cant believe you just called the bombing of Japan a war crime. It was abhorrent but there was no other choice, the Germans were rapidly catching up with their nuclear technology and would have used it on the US/England and the other allies the second they finished them. So if they hadnt bombed Japan, millions more people would have died.

 

[MetalWarriorSteve]

Also, the further right you go, the further your speech will be stifled. same as, the further left you go, the further your speech will be stifled. This last point is completely invalid.

I agree, but that's why I am central leaning right. Bush is far more right wing then the Libs and it shows because freedom does not really apply in general there but to a selected area.

But as soon as you go left even a touch, it's starts getting a bit too 'politically correct'.

 

[Goreripper]

What do you mean by that?
The war, or the FTA?

In a way, both, but it was more a comment on my belief that the FTA is geared more towards US interests than our own. It seems wrong to me that one of this country's biggest industries - sugar growing - was snubbed in order to protect a handful of sugar interests in Florida, and some areas of mining were also left out. My argument is that Australian industry needs some form of protection from larger, richer and more powerful marketplaces and the FTA with the US seems to be saying, "It's ok fellas, come over here and do whatever you like". Maybe I'm wrong in my thinking on this, but that's how I see it.

 

[KoichCPA]

Steve says: Hehe... Don't know my European WWII politics? That's something I know real well. The outside World's interpretation of National Socialism changed after the war. You can't base what a party is about based on what happened in a War. Hitler was a war criminal but not the biggest. Stalin was a bigger war criminal that killed more then twice the amount of people Hitler did. Because the US and Britain were War allies with the communists in Moscow, Stalin never got the profile of the biggest war criminal.

Then you have the United Dtates who committed the biggest single war crime of WWII by nuking Japan and the British did their thing as they turned a blind eye to the Yugoslav Communists mass killing a quarter of a million Croatians when the English turned over mostly innocent women and children to the slaughter in Bleiburg, Austria.

The losers became villians of history, the winners became heroes but the truth is that they were all criminals and the innocent suffered.

Actually, hitler was the greatest single politician ever. He rescued his country from the one of the worst depressions in european history and made it the biggest industrial powerhouse in Europe. Read Mein Kampf, read hitlers speeches. Never, Ever, was hitler a socialist. As I stated earlier, he only named the party this to gain the leftist vote in the early stages.