The Nevermore Thread

[NFU]

well m. amott has some of the better phrasing ive heard in metal from time to time, but hes a completely different kind of guitarist almost. little shred, mostly feel. hes not on the same technical level as loomis, and often rehashes himself over and over again actually.

 

[Kir-ir-Bannog]

this discussion is awesome. glad to learn things about guitar here too, i guess i am going to get a 7-string now in order to sound better.
i dont know but i have the impression that loomis is a complete metal guitarist ... there is basically nothing metal he cant play. of course this doesnt mean that he is able to play classical guitar (i just dont know if he does). why do ppl think he is all wankage too? i mean did you listen to the songs? like 3 out of 4 have shred parts but at least he is able to come up with great melodies too unlike some others (laiho rofl, amott lol) ...

Loomis was trained classically, the fact that he chooses not to play classicly with nevermore does not mean he cannot do it. In fact he plays some pretty impressive spanish guitar on DNB. Believe In Nothing has some classical-ish sounding acoustic work.

Really folks, i dont give a flying fuck who's the better guitarist of them all. All i know is, that Loomis sounds awesome to me, both in riffage and solos. That is all i care about...not who is the best. The fact that i saw him play live, was pretty close and i never heard a single fuck up on his part, playing with such technical skill and precision, makes him pretty fucking awesome in my eyes.

 

[Kir-ir-Bannog]

STFU, for my limited metal experience I pwn at metal dicussion, full stop.

....and i have never in my whole life seen such an excellent example of self-pwnage from you in this entire thread.

 

[[KOTNO]Narrot]

mhh ... loomis is according to interviews i read self-taught.

 

[Ermz]

well m. amott has some of the better phrasing ive heard in metal from time to time, but hes a completely different kind of guitarist almost. little shred, mostly feel. hes not on the same technical level as loomis, and often rehashes himself over and over again actually.

What do you think about Broderick?

I've seen some stuff from him in recent times that's really impressed me. Not particularily how good he is at 'metal' but rather how versatile it is. It's always something I strove for when learning, and to see someone seamlessly transition from playing neoclassical shred to classical acoustic to slap technique and jazz is just amazing.

Loomis is great. No doubt about it, that's why being the fanboy I am, I grabbed the same guitar he uses and never regretted it. At times though, I do feel that he tends to be on the monotonous side. What he does, he does really really really well, but out of the broader musical spectrum, how much does his playing style really encompass?

 

[metal_wrath]

STFU PLEASE KTHNX, (funny guy moon-lapse )

I know that you can down-tune a 6string guitar FFS. Howver, f**cking retards you can not get BEADGBE tuning on a 6-string, you can not play f**cking simple inverted power chords on a 6-string while staying in standard tuning and churn out f**ckin mosh riffs. What you are basically saying is that a 6-string is the same as a 7-string. I'm afraid not my friend. AND all I'm saying is that I would have more respect from somebody who is using a 6-string instead of gaining the advantage of utilizing the wider range of a 7-string f**cking guitar. Thank you and goodnight FFS. PISS OFF

 

[Heavenscent]

Good last point, he tends to limit himself in his playing, although you could call that his characteristical style.

Loomis plays a Schecter Omen 7 Custom, right? I once played it without an amp on the Frankfurter Musikmesse, and it plays incredibly smooth. Some dickwads were playing some Korn on the only amp at the Schecter stand, so I couldn't try it out. But still, if i have the money, I'll get me one.

And I just noticed that Nevermore is playing in Helsinki on September 8!
Damn, now I have to choose between two gigs I really want to go to.
Oh the decadence!

[edit] You can tune a 6 string the same as a 7 string, but you'd have to drop your high E and use heavier strings, which would require some adjustment in neck tension. I'm no guitar wiz, but I know that much.

 

[Opethian666]

I really dug their "I Hate Them All" EP, but I'd have to say This Godless Endeavour pwns it.

 

[metal_wrath]

Yngwie Malmsteen...neoclassical and thats it. No more no less....

WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? That's like saying that B.B. King is a blues player, no more no less. Dumbass.

 

[illidurit]

lmao it's like saying you have more respect for someone who plays on a 3 octave casio keyboard than on a grand piano

 

[Heavenscent]

Although 3 octave casio's are really cool

 

[makethestringscry]

I didnt say I didnt have respect for him, he's amazing at what he does, but i just think he's boring to listen to.

 

[illidurit]

I was talking to mettuhlll rath

 

[makethestringscry]

The post was to cover both bases, but my bad.

 

[Ermz]

I know that you can down-tune a 6string guitar FFS. Howver, f**cking retards you can not get BEADGE tuning on a 6-string...

You mean BEADGB right? You can do that tuning on a 6-string, why not? Although a 6-string dropped straight down to baritone is BEADF#B which in reality is the same shit except a half step down on your G string, whoopdy-fuckin-doo.

you can not play f**cking simple inverted power chords on a 6-string while staying in standard tuning and churn out f**ckin mosh riffs.

So.. aren't you just implying that the 6-string is inferior? On my 7-string I can stay in concert pitch and churn out 'mosh riffs' whenever I want, as well as being able to go back and play all the stuff I'd normally play on a 6'er. What's the issue? Do you see simplicity as being equivalent to mediocrity? Why would I not want the option of being able to revert to a Bm every now and then and make everyone's balls rattle?

See it's this retarded stigma, perpetuated by narrow-minded numbskulls like yourself that put people off buying 7-strings. Using one doesn't imply a musical handicap, nor a willingness to shortcut one's way anywhere. You need to understand that the larger range makes it a more versatile, and hence, harder to master instrument than a standard 6-string guitar. Whether or not certain retards in the more popular metal music scene purchase them simply to abuse the low B is besides the point.

AND all I'm saying is that I would have more respect from somebody who is using a 6-string instead of gaining the advantage of utilizing the wider range of a 7-string f**cking guitar.

What sort of skewed logic is that? It's like saying I have more respect for someone that plays their electric guitar unplugged because they're not getting the advantage of amplification.

You have to let go of these handicapping, short-sighted ideals about what earns who more respect. Music is about conveying ideas. An instrument with a wider range is more adept at conveying ideas than an equivalent with a lesser range. That's all there is to it.

 

[schenkadere]

loomis dominates laiho in every way.

Do any of you actually play? and if so, with any level of expertise...I'm curious what is formulating these opinions.

I'm not a fan of Laiho's music...but is is technically superior to Loomis...Petrucci's music may be boring at times, but he's amazing accomplished and diverse player.

Liking Loomis is fine...he's a great player, but considering him the best is foolish...I'm sure he'd agree.

You folks are confusing opinions of the music with virtuosity of the guitarists.

 

[Pethical]

moonie, thankyou for putting m_w in his place. im glad you still lurk around here

 

[Kir-ir-Bannog]

Howver, f**cking retards you can not get BEADGE tuning on a 6-string, you can not play f**cking simple inverted power chords on a 6-string while staying in standard tuning and churn out f**ckin mosh riffs. What you are basically saying is that a 6-string is the same as a 7-string. I'm afraid not my friend.

Love how you've got all angry. By the way, Type O Negative tune down to BEADF#B on standard 6 string and 4 string bass.

pwned.

 

[metal_wrath]

i meant BEADGBE, for the record

 

[Kir-ir-Bannog]

Liking Loomis is fine...he's a great player, but considering him the best is foolish...I'm sure he'd agree.

did anyone in this thread actually say he was "the best"??????????????