THE...NEW....NEVERMORE...

[Pitiless Wanderer]

talented? okay i believe it. they write shitty music though. i guess that can go under mumblefoot's "talent" thread for debate :Spin:

Please explain to me, while being as specific as possible, how Nevermore write "shitty music." I'm not trying to start an agrument... rather just abate my curiosity.

Oh and Devin Townsend certainly doesn't suck...I suggest you give him another try as well.

And we agree on one thing..Emperor certainly were/are a fantastic band



I still wouldn't hire you, though.

 

[Pitiless Wanderer]

Are these scientifically proven facts?

Yes, I have proven these statements to be scientifically factual in my research laboratory. The article will be published next week.

 

[Ermz]

You know the above post outlines pretty much how I felt about Nevermore up until recently. I don't really know what changed - maybe I started appreciating mediocre music more?

 

[Pitiless Wanderer]

loomis is a cock. his riffing is an uninspired as any other shit metal band out there. his solos, while better than most, are still shredding solos, and shredding solos suck, so his solos suck, and he sucks, and as a result, you suck

O.K., now I hate you.


Name a more talented guitarist in metal today. Please hurry.

 

[Pitiless Wanderer]

i find them quite stale. their riffs are good in some areas, but most of the time they're nothing special whatsoever. the solos while technically played well, are still the same solos i've heard from many other bands for many years. the songs are predictable. combine all that with the absolutely atrocious singing and you have a bad band

Can you be more specific..."riffs are good in some areas, but most of the time they're nothing special whatsoever." Which songs have quality riffs, please? I'd like concrete examples so I can try and see what types of riffs you enjoy. Perhaps give me an example of riffs you like?

"The solos, while played technically well, are still the same solo's I've heard from many other bands for many years." Well, most good technically played solos involve sweeping, arpeggios, etc. The key is the emotional impact these have. Loomis shines here. His note choices and technical prowess are amazing." Listen to the solo in "Engines of Hate" or the acoustic solo in "Deconstruction."

"The songs are predictable." You think songs like "Deconstruction," "The Learning, "The politics of Ecstacy" and "42147" and "The River Dragon Has Come" are predictable? I find this to be quite the contraditcion given the list of bands you think generally "dont suck" or are "good"...IMO most of those bands even the mighty Emperor (especially the latter of their career) became extremely predticable. Side note - If you like unpredictability in music/metal, I highly suggest you listen to more Devin Townsend (solo efforts) and maybe Arcturus.


"Combine all that with absolutely atrocious singing and you have a bad band." You know, I hated Warrel's vocals at first...I really did. But the music was so good that it basically forced me to tolerate them and over time, really enjoy them. I think he has a very unique, emotional voice that isn't very "predictable" at all. All the same, I can't argue if you don't like the sound of someone's voice...

 

[Pitiless Wanderer]

You know the above post outlines pretty much how I felt about Nevermore up until recently. I don't really know what changed - maybe I started appreciating mediocre music more?

No, you started appreciating fine metal. Nevermore are an aquired taste...you've come around.


BTW Im visiting Aussie next year, do you recommend Melbourne or Sydney? I'm thinking the gold coast...?

 

[Pitiless Wanderer]

i bought dead heart in a dead world earlier today and i must say, i think it is quite good. Cant wait for the new release.

It gets better each listen, my friend.

 

[[KOTNO]Narrot]

akerfeldt is nowhere as talented as loomis when it comes to guitarplaying...

 

[[KOTNO]Narrot]

mh, songwriting is smth totally different than guitarplaying skills...

i agree that mikey a. writes better songs but loomis pwns mikes guitarskills...

 

[Demoke]

I'm just listening to this new Nevermore. Best CD I've listened to in the last three years! And no, Nevermore don't suck.

 

[Pitiless Wanderer]

akerfeldteh i don't know the name of the songs. i downloaded a few albums and listened all the way through, and every once and a while i said "hmm that was pretty good" but most of the time i wanted to skip the songs becuase of how bland everything sounded.i don't like solos that much anyway. the solos i do like are pretty quick and to the point. i don't give a shit about "emotional" solos, because there's no such thingmost of the songs i've heard were pretty predictable. nothing really stands out as being refreshing, so i'd imagine the large majority were very predictable. arcturus blows. i should add them to the listwell considering the music is bad, i won't ever get used to his voice. the fact is, even though you like nevermore, you still think the singer sucks. you just had to get used to him

Where to begin...


First, isn't his last name "Akerfeldt," not "Akerfeldteh?" I could be 100% incorrect...but I think I'm right, which would be funny considering you're such a huge Opeth fan and I, while enjoying some of their stuff, think they're good not great.

Secondly, you say there isn't such a thing as "emotional solos" which is simply incorrect. Guitar solo's were invented to be an aphrodisiac. Historically, solo's have always started out slowly and not very intense, and surely enough they get faster, harder, more aggressive, and subsequently peak for a "climax"...which then ends leaving the listener with the thought of sex on his or her mind. If you think I'm joking, I suggest you research it because that is infact why and how guitar solo's came about. The whole "no such thing as an emotional solo" is leading me to believe you're either on drugs or have no concept about music in general. Music is written for the sheer purpose of emotional. Are you saying it's possible for riffs, vocal melodies and songs as whole to be emotional or contain emotion but NOT solo's? That is the first time I have ever read something that absurd, but it's your opinion.

Next, Arcturus blows...be more specific, which albums have you heard because they're all extremely different. Garm is one of metal's/music's most talented voices.

Last, I never said Warrel's voice sucked, did I? I said I had a hard time getting used to it first, and now I think it's fantastic as his range far surpasses most in the metal. I don't understand what you mean by saying "you still think his voice sucks but you are just used to it." I think his voice is great.

 

[Pitiless Wanderer]

a) akerfeldt writes good songs
b) loomis writes bad songs

akerfeldt > loomis

Haha, laughable.

Here is what Akerfeldt has to say about Loomis after seeing their recently released clip from Backstage w/ Sneap.



''That was great! I remember Andy Sneap showed us where he was gonna build the new studio and now it seem to be done! Great seeing that clip. I love Nevermore, I think they're vastly underrated, and Loomis as a guitar player is unbelievable! You can't mention the guy from Bodom in the same sentence, quite honestly it's the C-league in comparison! Loomis is probably my favourite guitarplayer in metal today! And a great, great guy as well. We toured with them some years back and the guys are fantastic! Can't wait to hear the new album!!!
...
Loomis is not only a great player, I think he's got an ear for music, exciting ways of putting solos together, on top of this he writes most of the stuff for the band. Nevermore has got "nerve" in their music which is essential for me if I'm gonna like something. Wow, I'm really hyping him, but I truly think he's fantastic! As for guitarplayers, there's a zillion of shredders out there and they don't do fuck-all for me any more.
Cheers
Mike''


If you prefer Mikael's output to Loomis's then that is completely fine, obviously, because it is your preference. But technically speaking, Loomis is hands down the better player.

But, this argument could go on forever. I just noticed that youre very young...youve probably not been listening to metal for that long anyways, and you really didnt present much of an agrument to back up your statements. Either way, I came into this thread and was forced to defend the mighty metal machine that is Nevermore and you, my friend...

 

[Pitiless Wanderer]

oh and btw if you're going to criticize him for his spelling, you should improve your grammar probably

Sentences start with a capital letter and end with a period, my friend. My grammar isn't THAT bad though, is it???

 

[Sanzen]

Can you be more specific..."riffs are good in some areas, but most of the time they're nothing special whatsoever." Which songs have quality riffs, please? I'd like concrete examples so I can try and see what types of riffs you enjoy. Perhaps give me an example of riffs you like?

"The solos, while played technically well, are still the same solo's I've heard from many other bands for many years." Well, most good technically played solos involve sweeping, arpeggios, etc. The key is the emotional impact these have. Loomis shines here. His note choices and technical prowess are amazing." Listen to the solo in "Engines of Hate" or the acoustic solo in "Deconstruction."

"The songs are predictable." You think songs like "Deconstruction," "The Learning, "The politics of Ecstacy" and "42147" and "The River Dragon Has Come" are predictable? I find this to be quite the contraditcion given the list of bands you think generally "dont suck" or are "good"...IMO most of those bands even the mighty Emperor (especially the latter of their career) became extremely predticable. Side note - If you like unpredictability in music/metal, I highly suggest you listen to more Devin Townsend (solo efforts) and maybe Arcturus.


"Combine all that with absolutely atrocious singing and you have a bad band." You know, I hated Warrel's vocals at first...I really did. But the music was so good that it basically forced me to tolerate them and over time, really enjoy them. I think he has a very unique, emotional voice that isn't very "predictable" at all. All the same, I can't argue if you don't like the sound of someone's voice...

chill the fuck out, Captain Nevermore. Your super-fan posting isn't going to change his mind.

 

[Skyld]

Seriously... "Looking for a Job", you need to fucking look at what you're saying. I could easily say "Opeth suck as their songs are the same riff over and over again", yet you'd find that unjustified, wouldn't you?

"Nevermore sucks" and "Loomis is a cock" are moronic statements, not arguments. While Devy_Metal is making justified, balanced comparisons and observations, your "arguments" are portraying you to have the IQ not too higher than that of an eight year old. If you don't like Nevermore, we'll respect you for it, and, if the case, say so. "Nevermore's vocals are shit" and "Nevermore's vocals are not entirely to my liking" are totally different sentences. Really, I'd expect a twenty year old to "argue" more maturely.

 

[deliverance]

wow i can't believe i just wasted 5 minutes reading Devy's bullshit posts.

Devy: he DOESN'T FUCKING LIKE NEVERMORE, WHO THE FUCK CARES, GIVE IT A REST.

i'm getting a very strong feeling looseanus got sick of fucking PoS's ass and is now here in the form of Devy, and has moved up the ladder to fuck Nevermore in the ass. anyone?

 

[Ermz]

BTW Im visiting Aussie next year, do you recommend Melbourne or Sydney? I'm thinking the gold coast...?

Sydney's probably a better location to visit.

 

[Ermz]

akerfeldt is nowhere as talented as loomis when it comes to guitarplaying...

I get alot of emotion from Mike's playing alone. I think that's his niche... he can pull the same melody as many other guitarists, but he can actually make it mean something.

Whilst Loomis is running through those melodies at 32nd note triplets, Mike capitalizes on the note progression and gets the listener in touch with what they're hearing - it doesn't just pass by in a blur of notes.

 

[[KOTNO]Narrot]

well, don't make it look like i said that akerfeldt wasnt a good guitarist...

it's no news that loomis can shred but he also knows how to put out great melody lines. also, writing melodies is more about songwriting than about technical skill imo.

 

[Morfiend]

Nevermore once again doesn't disappoint. Like another poster said, this is their least melodic album to date but is the heaviest and has the best riffage. I don't know where I would put this among the rest of their discography, but it's definitely right at the top with Politics and DNB. Album of the year material right here.