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paradoxile said:
it doesn't mean it's the whole truth...respectable or not
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i wrote it because you said not to believe in the "arab" media and i said that it was not an arab channel but a turkish channel. anyway i don't have complete trust in any tv channels or newspapers, but each of them have some parts that others do not talk about and can still be of value. none of us can be completely sure of a "whole truth". disinformation is everywhere and it's done by either telling lies or not telling anything at all. therefore one should consider getting news from as much different sides as possible. you cannot percieve the whole truth by watching only israeli channels or only arabian channels. this bloody thing has more than one sides. if you don't turn it over and look at the other side, you'll only get what you are supposed to get and not anything close to "the truth".
 
UnConscious said:
i wrote it because you said not to believe in the "arab" media and i said that it was not an arab channel but a turkish channel. anyway i don't have complete trust in any tv channels or newspapers, but each of them have some parts that others do not talk about and can still be of value. none of us can be completely sure of a "whole truth". disinformation is everywhere and it's done by either telling lies or not telling anything at all. therefore one should consider getting news from as much different sides as possible. you cannot percieve the whole truth by watching only israeli channels or only arabian channels. this bloody thing has more than one sides. if you don't turn it over and look at the other side, you'll only get what you are supposed to get and not anything close to "the truth".
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I agree
 
Elyia said:
i don't mean to offend neither of you, but propably in all of it is a bit truth.

press gets its information from headquaters, headquaters get their information from press-ministers (At least thats the way it goes in Germany) And noone can proove if the information thats been handed down over two or more stations really is what's happening.


There's no use offending each other or blaming TV and radio or any other press, cause they only write what they are told to... Free press? Non existant.

Imagine an arab channel would find out that their country is to blame, do you really think the would send it?

Do you really think an israely Magazine would write "its all our fault"?

Do you think any politician in these times would admit that they are doing something wrong?

And what do you think would happen if anyone would? Don't you think that ministers, politicians, armygenerals and so on would admit it to be the truth? Fucking, no! They would keep denying it till the end!


by the way: anyone seen "wag the dog"?
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i agree and you made a point that i missed. i usually think of the media as the "evil helpers of the governments" and think that they all do this disinformation because they intend to do it. but most of the time it's not disinformation but just misinformation, because their hands are tied as well.

and i've watched that movie but it was long ago and i don't remember well.. i remember it was fun as well as criticizing the system pretty well.
"why does a dog wag its tail? because the dog is smarter than the tail. if the tail was smarter, it would wag the dog"
:)
 
The Palastenians living in piss poor conditions has nothing to do with Israel at all. If anything, the fact that they have any kind of luxury such as electricity or running water is BECAUSE of Israel. Their "caring" leaders got billions of dollars from all the countries of the world, yet they kept it for themselves and for their friends. That's why the guys running all the terrorist orginizations live in huge mansions and eat meat all day long while their citizens, whom that money was meant for, cannot barely even take a shower.

The arab media is always full of propaganda. Say what you want about our media, but realize that the arab media said that Israel was the one that did 9/11. Israel bombed the towers, told all the Jews and no Jews died.
Plenty of Jews died on 9/11. If Israel was giving out warnings, don't you think non-Jewish people would know it was about to happen? If they would make such a huuuuuge lie like that, what's to say that anything they've ever said is true.
All I know is that the terrorists are the ones hiding in the middle of cities. Israel shouldn't let who knows what happen to them because they might kill some people while trying to get to terrorists who would kill way more people when they get the chance. Iran wants Israel destroyed, they give money to Hezbala, who knows what Hezbala is capable of. Israel has no problems with Lebanon, they don't want to go there, but Hezbala gives them no choice. These are people that would kill a dead soldier. They take the dead bodies and dance in the streets with them as a sign of victory. You cannot negotiate with them. You give them a finger and they take more than the whole hand.
 
Falconspirit said:
A picture is worth a thousand words.

http://www.fromisraeltolebanon.com/
http://www.lebanonunderattack.com/
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i can show attrocities from israel too...
I oppose israel bombing in the christian zone in lebanon and the bombing of the LBC antenna but maybe our troops had a good reason to bomb there...
about Maroun al-Ras... a lebanese civilian woman was wounded there and was taken by our soldiers to a hospital in Israel under the fire of hizbollah as they were evacuating her.
not one person in Israel has anything against lebanese civillians and we wish them safety now and prosperity after the crisis is over
 
paradoxile said:
i can show attrocities from israel too...
I oppose israel bombing in the christian zone in lebanon and the bombing of the LBC antenna but maybe our troops had a good reason to bomb there...
about Maroun al-Ras... a lebanese civilian woman was wounded there and was taken by our soldiers to a hospital in Israel under the fire of hizbollah as they were evacuating her.
not one person in Israel has anything against lebanese civillians and we wish them safety now and prosperity after the crisis is over
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Paradoxile, the fact that I posted these links does not mean I am assuming that every single Israeli (Soldier or not) agrees to such atrocities. And I definitely am not implying that Israel is not suffering from Hezbollah's attacks. Do not get me wrong, I stand against violence of any sort. And I still am against attacking Israel and its innocent civilians, and I am concerned about them as I am concerned about what you are seeing in these websites. I just want the world to see, that the whole war is a mistake, regardless of who started, regardless of whose fault it is. Something should be done to stop this once and for all.
Be safe my friend.
Cheers ,
 
Falconspirit said:
A picture is worth a thousand words.

http://www.fromisraeltolebanon.com/
http://www.lebanonunderattack.com/
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thats awful!

the reason we don't show things like that, only for the sake of the families.....they don't have to see it....
there was only one time we showed something like that.....when palestinians killed a reserve soldier who accidently got to their territories, and they threw his body from the window, with blooded hands.....

i don't want to see dead Lebanese babies....no one here, believe me!
nor women, nor men!

i think if we showed the 2 dead arab kids from Nazareth, it could be a anti-propeganda against this photos.....but we won't do it.....respect for the dead and the poor family who lost 2 kids!

photographers are waiting for this kinds of opportunities....lets hope they won't have chances in the future.....
 
Falconspirit said:
Paradoxile, the fact that I posted these links does not mean I am assuming that every single Israeli (Soldier or not) agrees to such atrocities. And I definitely am not implying that Israel is not suffering from Hezbollah's attacks. Do not get me wrong, I stand against violence of any sort. And I still am against attacking Israel and its innocent civilians, and I am concerned about them as I am concerned about what you are seeing in these websites. I just want the world to see, that the whole war is a mistake, regardless of who started, regardless of whose fault it is. Something should be done to stop this once and for all.
Be safe my friend.
Cheers ,
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i think you are right in what you say, but we don't need to see dead bodies to believe that people are dying :(
 
we all would like to see this war over
but saying it's a mistake implies on the fact that israel should have stood quiet while our was bombed with missiles and at the same time our distracted soldiers were abducted on Israeli soil unprovoked.
a mistake was Hizbullah attacking Israel...
and stopping the war now means the situation will return to what it was before it started...meaning hizzbolah is doing whatever the fuck they want in Lebanon with no connection to the government and Israel would have to live in fear of rockets falling on the north and basicly all the fighting have been in vain...so stopping the war before hizbollah is disarmed is out of the question

It's a shame...if not hizbullah and Syria, Israel would have had a peace agreement with Lebanon even before the peace agreemnet with Jordan.
 
paradoxile said:
you're missing the point
off course a bomb is a bomb.but killing innocent defenceless civillians is what those suicide bombers are all about.
Israel doesn't kill civillians(not on purpose at least)...our air force had several chances to shoot at some asshole that planned terrorsitic attacks against our civillians and along with all the scumbags there was the terrorist's wife in the car and our pilot didn't shoot at the car.
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I know Israel don´t kill civilians on purpose, however civilians are still the ones dying on both sides. My point was simply that all bombs kill and any denying that is very dangerous.
 
Korlich said:
I know Israel don´t kill civilians on purpose, however civilians are still the ones dying on both sides. My point was simply that all bombs kill and any denying that is very dangerous.
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it is rather obvious
Nassrallah,Æd lort din dumme svinknepper
 
paradoxile said:
i can show attrocities from israel too...
I oppose israel bombing in the christian zone in lebanon and the bombing of the LBC antenna but maybe our troops had a good reason to bomb there...
about Maroun al-Ras... a lebanese civilian woman was wounded there and was taken by our soldiers to a hospital in Israel under the fire of hizbollah as they were evacuating her.
not one person in Israel has anything against lebanese civillians and we wish them safety now and prosperity after the crisis is over
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I know I'm somehow far from all the tension in the middle east... but it's not because you're suffering that you should be avoided and because you're living well that you should be shoot at. There is no reason for any violence. Yes it's easy to say... But it's the only thing we should all think of. To Forgive is to Suffer... Let us one day unite...
 
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