The politics thread

I know what you are saying. Yes, you are right.
And I love this song equually as you do, so when I couldnt express myself in words, I took Marks piece of art and used it to find the images to express.

You are quick to react! I was just about to send you an email. I also send Mark one- I hope he is ok with me using the song.
 
Metal head87 said:
Another good song would be that one that Salem covered on their Kaddish album, Hayara Ba'eret. I'm not sure how it would be spelled in English.
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Ha'ayara Bo'eret...it means the town is burning
 
Morticia NL. said:
I know what you are saying. Yes, you are right.
And I love this song equually as you do, so when I couldnt express myself in words, I took Marks piece of art and used it to find the images to express.

You are quick to react! I was just about to send you an email. I also send Mark one- I hope he is ok with me using the song.
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good job though at some points the credits were a bit out of sync
I in general hate watching attrocities and i they serve no purpose for me as I am not supposed to feel the pain of others, that's unneccessary pain and anguish...I'm supposed to help the people that were hurt physicly and emotionly
 
Metal head87 said:
I know they are nothing but filthy murderes, but I was saying that THEY call themselves martyrs. I agree that they should be called homicide bombers, because "suicide bomber" makes those cowardly assholes sound like they are brave and noble, giving up their lives for their cause. But what I meant was, that those idiot puppets who blow themselves up should ask themselves "how come the guys hiring me to do this aren't blowing themselves up too if it is supposedly such a great thing to do. To even be called a martyr and a hero. WHy would they let some random person get that glory when they could get it themselves". If they would think that way, they might realize that it's all a bunch of bullshit. It's not like that 1 person is so important that he needs to be around to ger more recruits. Each one of those people are all expendable according to their leaders.
They are throwing their lives away to kill innocent people who caused them no harm because some cowardly assholes don't like the fact that Israelis are living in Israel. The worst part is that they know that there is only so much that Israel can get away with doing. If Israel really didn;t give a damn about what the UN has to say, they could wipe out those stone throwing vermin.
I don't have anything against arabs or muslims, I'm friendly with some of them, but I despise cowards. If they are cowards, then don't fight, but they have no right to target innocent people buying a cup of coffee or a slice of pizza.

Actually, I saw on the news yesterday, they showed a couple getting married in a bunker.
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sorry but this is just stuid. all "decent" bombs are homicide bombs including the ones israel is using. suicide bombs are only used by hezbollah and other extremics. nothing glorifying bout suicide. if they where called martyre bombs i would agree with you.
 
Korlich said:
sorry but this is just stuid. all "decent" bombs are homicide bombs including the ones israel is using. suicide bombs are only used by hezbollah and other extremics. nothing glorifying bout suicide. if they where called martyre bombs i would agree with you.
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you are right....
bomb is a bomb.....

it is really interesting to see this evolution of the martyrdom....
i think it has began with the christians in the roman empire.....those who died because of their beliefs.....
there is nothing wrong with glorify a person after he is dead.....maybe it is a good reason for people stop being afraid to believe in the "new" religion.

but the extreme muslims got martyrdom to a bad place.....they are trying to brainwash the living, about their "REAL" life in heaven.....as we see, it can leads to really dangerous things, as suicide bombers....

we can't respect our lives here, if we are 100% sure we are only prepering ourselves to the next world. it is a problem of all 3 monotheist religions.
 
Korlich said:
sorry but this is just stuid. all "decent" bombs are homicide bombs including the ones israel is using. suicide bombs are only used by hezbollah and other extremics. nothing glorifying bout suicide. if they where called martyre bombs i would agree with you.
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you're missing the point
off course a bomb is a bomb.but killing innocent defenceless civillians is what those suicide bombers are all about.
Israel doesn't kill civillians(not on purpose at least)...our air force had several chances to shoot at some asshole that planned terrorsitic attacks against our civillians and along with all the scumbags there was the terrorist's wife in the car and our pilot didn't shoot at the car.
 
Metal head87 said:
Another good song would be that one that Salem covered on their Kaddish album, Hayara Ba'eret. I'm not sure how it would be spelled in English.
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I have the Salem dvd "Live Demise" which also includes some promo videos and while "Ha'ayara Bo'eret" is about the holocaust, "Act of War" deals with the topic of suicide bombers...
Oh, and according to Salem's website, "ha'ayara bo'eret" means "the town's on fire".
 
Indeed...btw, have Salem ever toured Europe? I think they should also become part of the "Steven Wilson and Friends" tour... ;-)
 
RashomoN said:
the truth is too much complicated to understand.....

and i can add to that....we can't say who is right and who is wrong....
maybe both sides are right and wrong....!
you have to understand, we all were born, raised, grew up and living in different places, with different points of view.....

I always think what would i believed in, if i was born arab.....
yes....we all having some kinds of brainwash....
the society is sick! everywhere.....!

thats why unfortunately, i can't see the end of this kinds of conflicts....
just hope it will be more quiet.....with less people to get hurt....
but now we got ourselves deep in the mud!
:(
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i completely agree with you... taking sides would just be stupid in this manner.

let's think for israel. soldiers are kidnapped, haifa is getting bombed. civilians are dying. and the israel army is attacking back to terminate the terrorists. they don't hurt the civilians, they're just there to kill the terrorists. good.

and now let's think for the arabs... the israel army is attacking. beirut and palestine are getting bombed. civilians ARE dying. hospitals are bombed. they're running out of medicine. in palestine people are starving. they have no medicine and no water. who's causing this? israel.

what's the difference in these two points of view? both conclusions are right when you think from their sides. it's too luxurous to take sides, it's just too complicated. people are suffering and dying. would a lebanese supporting hizbullah still support them if he was born as a jew in israel and saw his friends die because of hizbullah missiles? would an israeli still support the israel army if he was born in beirut as an arap and saw his friends die because of israeli missiles?
the answer is clearly "no". it's just about what you were born as.

and about the song, i think these two sentences are pretty much summarizing the situation:
"It seems that the vicious circle can never be broken through
Because old wounds are reopened every time"
:(
 
paradoxile said:
you're missing the point
off course a bomb is a bomb.but killing innocent defenceless civillians is what those suicide bombers are all about.
Israel doesn't kill civillians(not on purpose at least)...our air force had several chances to shoot at some asshole that planned terrorsitic attacks against our civillians and along with all the scumbags there was the terrorist's wife in the car and our pilot didn't shoot at the car.
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unfortunately, not all of the israeli army is that innocent and caring.
it's the same army which bombed a hospital. how many of the 300+ dead were terrorists?
i say again, it's too complicated...
 
UnConscious said:
unfortunately, not all of the israeli army is that innocent and caring.
it's the same army which bombed a hospital. how many of the 300+ dead were terrorists?
i say again, it's too complicated...
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where did you hear such a thing? Israel doesn't bomb hospitals unless the hospital is known to be headqaurters for terrorsitic activity...
nothing is complicated here...Terrorists are known for their dirty fighting such as launching rockets from kindergardens, breaking in some family's home and shooting from there knowing that we won't shoot at civillians.

we don't have different armies that one is caring about civillian and the other's not...all oders about such things come from the high ranks in the army based on intelligence
 
paradoxile said:
where did you hear such a thing? Israel doesn't bomb hospitals unless the hospital is known to be headqaurters for terrorsitic activity...
nothing is complicated here...Terrorists are known for their dirty fighting such as launching rockets from kindergardens, breaking in some family's home and shooting from there knowing that we won't shoot at civillians.

we don't have different armies that one is caring about civillian and the other's not...all oders about such things come from the high ranks in the army based on intelligence
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it was from an interview on a turkish tv channel with reporters that went to beirut, including places where hizbullah terrorists heavily reside. they said almost all the infrastructure was bombed and a hospital building was also destroyed.
 
UnConscious said:
it was from an interview on a turkish tv channel with reporters that went to beirut, including places where hizbullah terrorists heavily reside. they said almost all the infrastructure was bombed and a hospital building was also destroyed.
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the hospital was bombed after israel told the people to evacuate
and besides don't always believe the arab media...half of what they say isn't true anyway
 
paradoxile said:
the hospital was bombed after israel told the people to evacuate
and besides don't always believe the arab media...half of what they say isn't true anyway
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i don't watch arab channels because we don't have any. but i can guess that they are not objective. that channel i talked about is the most respected news channel in turkey.
 
i don't mean to offend neither of you, but propably in all of it is a bit truth.

press gets its information from headquaters, headquaters get their information from press-ministers (At least thats the way it goes in Germany) And noone can proove if the information thats been handed down over two or more stations really is what's happening.


There's no use offending each other or blaming TV and radio or any other press, cause they only write what they are told to... Free press? Non existant.

Imagine an arab channel would find out that their country is to blame, do you really think the would send it?

Do you really think an israely Magazine would write "its all our fault"?

Do you think any politician in these times would admit that they are doing something wrong?

And what do you think would happen if anyone would? Don't you think that ministers, politicians, armygenerals and so on would admit it to be the truth? Fucking, no! They would keep denying it till the end!


by the way: anyone seen "wag the dog"?
 
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