The thread about guns and stuff like that!

[Psychonaut]

I can logically surmise that someone creeping into my house in the middle of the night is not bringing me punch and pie.

 

[Matt]

Having a weapon does not necessitate will or intent to kill tbh. You can merely scare into submission with a gun. In fact that is one of the only things I would ever use it for if I even had one, I might not ever shoot it unless something really bad was going down.

I agree, but I'm not making that shit up. There are plenty of court cases to reference.

 

[Krigloch the Furious]

@ Mathias:
I read an article yesterday that an 80 yr old man stopped a robber in his house with an air pistol. The robber had no idea. He just knew that he had a gun pointed at him and he listened.
The old mans wife called the cops while the criminal faggot layed on the ground with a gun pointed at him.

oh, and theres an old saying. "better to be judged by 12, than carried by 6"

 

[zabu of nΩd]

Handguns are still fucking stupid. They're not necessary to defend your home, and they only make criminals' jobs easier. I'm definitely in favor of a rifles-and-shotguns-only policy.

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

@ Mathias:
I read an article yesterday that an 80 yr old man stopped a robber in his house with an air pistol. The robber had no idea. He just knew that he had a gun pointed at him and he listened.
The old mans wife called the cops while the criminal faggot layed on the ground with a gun pointed at him.

That is FUCKING AWESOME. And is a good illustration of my point. Most faggot intruders with guns will immediately leave if you show resistance with an equal or more powerful weapon. ESPECIALLY if you're fucking 80!

I can logically surmise that someone creeping into my house in the middle of the night is not bringing me punch and pie.

No, of course not, but there's a difference between taking your shit and attempting to take/taking your life.

 

[Rob "Klister"]

Handguns are still fucking stupid. They're not necessary to defend your home, and they only make criminals' jobs easier. I'm definitely in favor of a rifles-and-shotguns-only policy.

even if this policy went into effect, criminals would still have them. innocent law abiding citizens would have to turn their handguns in, but all the stolen/untraceable guns would still be sold in the black market.

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

Very true. Generally, making things illegal is never good unless they are not concrete things ("killing people" doesn't count as something concrete; neither does rape or stealing).

 

[zabu of nΩd]

even if this policy went into effect, criminals would still have them. innocent law abiding citizens would have to turn their handguns in, but all the stolen/untraceable guns would still be sold in the black market.

Well it still doesn't prevent legit people from defending themselves (although they might not be able to in public, but seriously, there are cops for a reason). And criminals will still be deterred from breaking into people's homes, whether they have a handgun advantage or not.

 

[zabu of nΩd]

Very true. Generally, making things illegal is never good unless they are not concrete things ("killing people" doesn't count as something concrete; neither does rape or stealing).

I'm not sure what you mean by "concrete things", but I don't see how banning handguns is going to cause more harm than good. If gun manufacturers stopped producing them, and the ammo for them, it would become highly impractical for criminals to carry them.

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

You can't just stop making handguns, that's pretty crazy...

btw, banning concrete things = banning weed, banning prostitution/sex (to an extent, since it is willing and there is a black market for it), banning organ sales, banning anything you can touch and sell/market/distribute. There isn't a black market for murder...is there?

 

[Krigloch the Furious]

hahahahahahhaha, cops. They arent sitting outside your house waiting for someone to break into your house.

and do you realize how many people would be without jobs

 

[zabu of nΩd]

You can't just stop making handguns, that's pretty crazy...

btw, banning concrete things = banning weed, banning prostitution/sex (to an extent, since it is willing and there is a black market for it), banning organ sales, banning anything you can touch and sell/market/distribute. There isn't a black market for murder...is there?

Okay I see what you're saying - I was just thrown off by the weird terminology. And it seems it wasn't actually central to the point you were making.

What do you mean "you can't just stop making handguns"? If they're illegal, the government can order gun manufacturers to stop making them, and that's that. I mean, they might still be made for the military, but if you're worried about weapons leaking to criminals from the military, then you've got much worse things to worry about than handguns.

 

[Rob "Klister"]

Well it still doesn't prevent legit people from defending themselves (although they might not be able to in public, but seriously, there are cops for a reason). And criminals will still be deterred from breaking into people's homes, whether they have a handgun advantage or not.

there aren't enough cops around to stop muggings.even if there was a cop around, the guy would just wait ten minutes until he left. what would deter them now that didnt before?

gun manufacturers wont quit making them. theres too much money to be made. as far as ammo goes, its really easy to load your own ammo. all you need is about $800 in equipment/powder/bullets/primers/casings and you could sell those for good amount of cash. and then that would create more criminals and fill our prisons even faster. then tax payers fund their living expenses. lose all around.

 

[Krigloch the Furious]

weapons will always be on the streets.

 

[SouthernTrendkill]

I'm buying a handgun as soon as possible. The gun store is always closed though. What I will do with it has yet to be decided.

 

[zabu of nΩd]

hahahahahahhaha, cops. They arent sitting outside your house waiting for someone to break into your house.

Jesus Christ, your reading comprehension is terrible. I didn't say we should rely on cops to GUARD OUR HOMES. I was talking about people outside, on the streets.

and do you realize how many people would be without jobs

I really hope you aren't serious about this argument. Since when is job loss supposed to be a justification to avoid taking measures to save people's lives?

 

[Rob "Klister"]

Okay I see what you're saying - I was just thrown off by the weird terminology. And it seems it wasn't actually central to the point you were making.

What do you mean "you can't just stop making handguns"? If they're illegal, the government can order gun manufacturers to stop making them, and that's that. I mean, they might still be made for the military, but if you're worried about weapons leaking to criminals from the military, then you've got much worse things to worry about than handguns.

they will never make hand guns illegal. gun mans have their money in a lot of politicians pockets.

 

[Krigloch the Furious]

Jesus Christ, your reading comprehension is terrible. I didn't say we should rely on cops to GUARD OUR HOMES. I was talking about people outside, on the streets.



I really hope you aren't serious about this argument. Since when is job loss supposed to be a justification to avoid taking measures to save people's lives?

I was just making a point.


guns save lives

 

[zabu of nΩd]

there aren't enough cops around to stop muggings.even if there was a cop around, the guy would just wait ten minutes until he left. what would deter them now that didnt before?

All I can really say to this is that I think it will save more lives to limit the proliferation of handguns than it will endanger by having fewer "law-abiding citizens" on the street with handguns to protect themselves. Practically no one besides paranoid nutjobs actually walks around every day with a gun on them anyway. You're usually not allowed to take one inside most of the buildings you're going to and from anyway.

gun manufacturers wont quit making them. theres too much money to be made. as far as ammo goes, its really easy to load your own ammo. all you need is about $800 in equipment/powder/bullets/primers/casings and you could sell those for good amount of cash. and then that would create more criminals and fill our prisons even faster. then tax payers fund their living expenses. lose all around.

Whether they make guns or not would depend entirely on how much political pressure there is on them. You seem to be assuming a very low level of pressure on them, and that's not really fair to the argument.

And again, your argument about the negative effects of a handgun black market sounds more like your opinion than anything else. We can't predict how much demand there would be for handguns in the criminal world, so why should I accept your gloom-and-doom predictions as more significant than the chance that far fewer people will be getting killed by handguns if they're illegal?

 

[zabu of nΩd]

I was just making a point.

guns save lives

Yeah, but you happen to suck at defending it.

It's pretty absurd to claim that "guns save lives" when the U.S. has by far the highest murder rate of any developed country in the world.