The Whining and Bitching Thread

[waif]

This page is so tl;dr.

 

[JontRevolting]

Who gives a fuck if anyone is a drunk or does drugs,it's not up to anyone else to pass judgement.As for me I do both,own a very nice house and lots of goodies,if anyone tells me how to live I will tell them to go and fuck themselves.

 

[skeptik]

Interesting discussion.

"Legality is irrelevant"

This is good, because I'm sure we can all agree that just because the "law" constitutes something does not mean it is in any way best or even rational. Laws begin to function ideologically when people begin to think that there is somehow an inherent, universal truth behind the law. However, this isn't happening here since legality isn't an issue.

Certainly; I've spoken on a number of occasions on this forum about the absurdity of drug laws and the nature of the legitimacy of law, so I was surprised this was even brought up.

"This is not a moral judgment"

Also good, because it's asinine to try and argue that there is an inherent moral flaw in drug use. I'm sure everyone agrees on this as well.

Indeed, I never intended to speak from a perspective of morality, or at least not pop-culture morality.

"Irresponsible"

This is where the crux of the argument is, and it's the most interesting part; irresponsible for whom? Certainly for the user; that goes without saying. Dodens mentions that smoking in one's room isn't "smoking responsibly;" but I contend that it is certainly more responsible than those who smoke on their drive to work. Thus, people can be responsible toward others while being irresponsible toward their own bodies.

Naturally, it's more responsible, or more accurately less irresponsible to take precautions in order to prevent their own actions from affecting others. I will continue to argue however that recreational drug use by its very nature is irresponsible at the very least to the self, although it sounds like you do not disagree with that.

Smoking might be an unhealthy act, but so is eating poorly and not exercising. Plenty of pot smokers eat very well (there are tons of vegan pot smokers), and many also exercise. Instead of labeling smoking as an "unhealthy" habit (since plenty of people who don't smoke are far less healthy than people who do), let's label it a "risky" habit. Now, risky habits also include skydiving and mountain climbing, acts that pose no danger to others, but do to the subjects themselves; these acts are also healthy (especially mountain climbing, which is a form of exercise). That doesn't mean that risk is not involved; so, are people who engage in these types of activities also irresponsible? Health insurance companies think so.

While I think that it's fair to bring up other aspects of lifestyle, I would say that it is difficult to find a truly symmetric comparison; for example, eating unhealthy foods still provides the body with nourishment and sustenance, while not exercising is not actually an "act", but rather the lack of an act, so at best it is in this sense passively irresponsible. I would also make a distinction between acts that run the risk of physical bodily injury like skydiving and internal organ damage like smoking as separate categories of irresponsible behavior, although both are worth discussing in some forum, if not this one. Certainly there are a plethora of acts or non-acts that we perform every day that are irresponsible to some degree.

Now, the central component of the argument is whether or not it's okay for parents to manage their teenagers' money. I have two questions: 1) do they know you've taken drugs (i.e. bought drugs with your money)? 2) how did you earn this money?

If they don't know you've done drugs and are just managing your money because they fear you might act responsibly, that's reprehensible. Institutions reserve no right to intervene simply because they assume someone might act irresponsibly. Now, if they caught you smoking or know you do, managing your money might be an act of trying to protect their own assets (i.e. the money/time they've invested in you thus far); ergo, I can't really blame them for doing so.

Not to speak for him, but I do seem to recall that his parents are aware that he has done drugs, and I also recall that he has had some psychological issues in the past, as well as an at times strained relationship with his parents, the fault of which rested with both parties. If his parents suspected that he would use the money to buy drugs, then I don't really have a problem with it as long as he remains under their guardianship and are responsible for him.

 

[Vimana]

For the record, I don't associate with the pot culture or consider myself a stoner. I hung out with stoners a couple times, and needless to say, the only fun part was messing with them, but that was far outweighed by the stupid shit they did like crossing the street while texting.

 

[JontRevolting]

Pot's probably the most retard drug,I wish I could wake up everyday and have a nice shot of speed.Now there is a drug that should be available to every living person,Hitler and Lemmy knew the deal.Fuck meth,just nice pure,clean amphetamine,there is nothing better in this entire world and perfectly conducive to a happy healthy normal life,uless one has a weak heart that is.

 

[Vossyrus]

Itunes media player is lame. For whatever reason, the audio sounds terrible. I made sure no EQ was even on but everything just sounds like mud. Also, after playing probably two songs, it automatically adjusted the tags for a couple of albums and replaced the artwork I gave them, with lower quality artwork.

I'll just stick with foobar...

 

[Mort Divine]

I really wouldn't want to imagine it every day, speed addictions are fucking vicious.

 

[Vimana]

Also that amphetamines can seriously fuck you up. But at least Meth can cure hair loss.

 

[Onder]

Occasional joint helps to cope w/ bullshit. I wouldn't call it irresponsible if you do it w/ some friends and can't really harm anyone else. It's not like driving drunk right?

 

[Vimana]

Well, it actually can badly affect driving. As with most hallucinogens, the effects are more varied depending on the user's personality, the situation, etc. Some people just zone out and have horrible reaction time, and as a result drive really slowly. Some people get really impatient and drive recklessly, and some get really into it and drive normally.

 

[mutantllama]

Guys marijuana is bad for you, my best friend died from HIV that he got from a pot needle. He was a typical kid, then everything changed around his senior year in high school. His grades dropped and every time I wanted to do something he always said "Sorry I have other things I need to do". So one time I asked if I could go along and he said sure. We then went to one of his friends houses, and the first thing I noticed what that no one was home a few other kids. One of them said "did you bring it?". I asked "bring what"? "The weed needle, duh!" He then pulled it out and gave it to the other kid and he started to inject it in his arm. He then passed it to me, and I said "Uh, I gotta go". My friend then said "where you going man, come on, try it, don't be a little girl". Smoke started to come out of his arm as he pulled out the needle, this all happened when he was saying it. I then stopped hanging out with him because he started to become a junkie and eventually dropped out of school. I lost contact with him, and then one day heard that he died from AIDS. I went to his funeral, not because of what he became but what he was.

 

[Vossyrus]

But at least Meth can cure hair loss.

Doesn't meth cause hair loss, skin problems and such?

 

[Vimana]

I expected that to be a Bel Air. I laughed anyway.

Oh, and proof that Meth can restore hair.

Doesn't meth cause hair loss, skin problems and such?

From what I've read, it usually does, but the above picture shows that it at least restored that dude's hair.

 

[Vossyrus]

 

[mutantllama]

Uh, it really just grew longer, the bald spots are still there.

 

[Vimana]

I'm actually surprised it's not being studied. People could discover a solution to hair loss that doesn't require physically messing with the follicles.

 

[JontRevolting]

You fucking idiots!

 

[Vimana]

I say it's thicker. Check the hairline.

 

[Vossyrus]

I'm guessing they probably got the before & after pictures mixed up.

 

[Vimana]

Yeah, but it's hard to tell. He looks equally stupid and washed out in both.