The Whining and Bitching Thread

So I started doing this volunteership back in September, which involved building a website for some community center / charity in Charlottesville (along with a friend of mine). It was nice to have something to work on back when my internship was only one day a week. Since my internship hours got bumped up, though, the volunteership's just been a giant pain in the ass. I went from having too much free time to too little, and now the website just feels like a giant school project that's constantly hanging over my head and that I have almost no motivation to work on. It seems like our progress just gets slower and slower the closer we think we are to finishing the site, and it sucks so much ass... I'm just going to want to go hang myself until this project is finished.
 
Continuing from the "Things you're looking forward to" Thread

At some point next week (next time I see her) I plan to ask the girl I like out (I figure 50/50 chances).

let us know how it goes :kickass:
Will post this here, since it seems to make more sense.

She said yes. She didn't sound hugely enthusiastic, but she's very quiet so I don't really know how to read that. Also, I think I kind of startled her. There's no natural point in our conversation for me to ask her out and my time was limited so I just sort of blurted it out. I'm really, really bad at that sort of thing. But she did say yes.

The reason why I'm whining and bitching about this is that now I actually feel worse than before. I feel like I've landed an audition (or worse, a job interview), but I'm worried the band/corporation won't hire me. I expected some relief at least from letting her know I'm interested, but that hasn't come. I'm mostly worried I'm going to fuck up (extremely likely). My plan is to take her to a movie and then get some dinner. I'm unsure about the movie. She said she liked action/comedies; anyone who could recommend anything would earn massive cool points, but currently it's looking like Zombieland. Which isn't generally the sort of movie I'd take a girl to. But beyond the general, there's just a shitload of little shit I'm worried about; should I bring her flowers (if I do it'd be a single rose, but that seems tacky)? should I try to hold her hand at the movie? I don't want to be aggressive but at the same time there has to be some sexual nature to this relationship or I'm just friendzoning myself. I wish she wasn't so hard to read.

On the other hand, I can now employ BMWG's suggestion of treating her like she likes me in the hopes that she'll fall for it. God I hope that works.

But what I'm whining/bitching about is that success has merely created exponentially more stress, instead of less.

EDIT: Sorry for the epic rant
 
I know how you feel WAIF but try to put the worry out of your mind and just act normally and treat her well. I'd pass on the flowers because that seems like it's coming on a little strong. It sounds like you're thinking way too much about this. Don't think about all the ways you could fail because you will just make it happen. Good luck.
 
should I bring her flowers (if I do it'd be a single rose, but that seems tacky)?

That seems a little over the top to me, but that's just my perspective.

should I try to hold her hand at the movie?

That's a tough one. If she weren't so reserved then I would think that sort of thing might just happen "naturally." Maybe you can break her out of her shell. It would seem weird to attempt that sort of thing if you two haven't talked a lot/gotten to know eachother. I would in general advise against going to a movie for a first date. There's not much chance to talk. Are you two old enough to drink? I would say just go out somewhere for some drinks. That way you could talk and at the same time get some liquid courage. Whatever you do, BE FUNNY; chicks love that shit.
 
First date dude, I wouldn't do flowers or try and hold her hand. Seriously, just relax. She's impossible to read because she's a girl, and none of us know what they want. Don't worry about pleasing her; if she likes you, then just being with you will be enough for her. And don't be concerned about getting yourself out of the "friend zone" on a first date. For now, it's expected that that's what your relationship will be like. The best thing for you is patience.
 
The reservation thing may be connected to her being ethnically Chinese (they tend to be quiet), which is actually something that worried me since she may not be open to race mingling if you know what I mean, but she said yes so we'll see...A movie was just what I defaulted to because I didn't know what else to do. She's 20 and I'm 18, so there's no chance for casual drinks (either of us could obtain alcohol but it could not be consumed in a casual setting). I'm hoping we can talk at dinner afterward. Being funny is my main strength.
 
Dude, I'm so excited for you. If you two ever become an item, watch out for her dad. Chinese dads are...scary.
 
No pics till she's willing to have her picture taken with me. I'm unlikely to meet her father; she lives with her aunt and uncle.
 
It's really hot here and I've been up since 5.30am working like a chump in the fucking HEAT and it's been hot for like 5 days in a row now and it's gonna be around 30-35°C for at least another week and I'm sick to death of fucking stupid annoying customers who don't even offer me a fucking cool drink and I'm tired and sweating and it's HOT and argh.
 
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And today she changed her mind and gave me the "let's be friends" talk. Fuck my life.

My friends have this whole ordeal going with some chick, and here's the facts:

Bitches are almost NEVER worth the bull shit. They do what they want, and typically don't care about what you feel. Fuck her, dude. She don't want you, then she's not worth your time. Plain and simple
 
I went into the kitchen to pour myself a glass of milk, but I wasn't paying attention and it tastes way richer than it should... because I poured myself a glass of half & half.
On the other hand, I can now employ BMWG's suggestion of treating her like she likes me in the hopes that she'll fall for it. God I hope that works.
And today she changed her mind and gave me the "let's be friends" talk. Fuck my life.
Sorry that didn't work out for you. How exactly did you behave? Without waiting for a reply though, here are some suggestions.

The most important thing is to keep her attention, but to do so in way that doesn't make her feel like her time is being monopolized. Generally, the easiest way to do this is to keep her laughing, but since you said being funny is your strong point, you probably don't have to practice. Here are some funny gestures to implement at your own discretion, though :)

I find that going way over the top works really well, because not all women appreciate men trying to be smooth, but you're pretty much guaranteed that they appreciate men who are funny. If you're on the shy side it may not work as well for you, but I'm always very direct and apparently charming enough to get away with saying things like "let's make a baby," or when bragging about my sexual prowess; "I'll show you later." Just be sure that they know you're joking and won't feel threatened by those types of comments, so most Asian girls are probably off limits.

However, here are some less racy maneuvers that are usually pretty WIN in my experience.

1) When preparing to go somewhere (walking), say "shall we go?" and offer your arm to her. Not just your hand, your entire arm. The reasoning behind this is that many women will feel uncomfortable holding hands with a man who they're not actively interested in and consequently will be intimidated by the offer. However, locking arms is such an overly formal and antiquated gesture that most women will appreciate how hilariously out of context it is and accept, although only momentarily. This is a good way to gauge her interest because for starters, it isn't nearly as alienating and uncomfortable if she refuses, but also because you can judge her interest in your based on her follow-up behavior. If she lets go relatively soon afterward, she's probably not interested. However, if she happily clings to your arm and leans into you, then she probably wants to have your babies.

2) When sitting next to her, definitely put your arm around her (judging by her mood of course), but don't try to be sneaky about it and don't be too casual either. Make a spectacle and make it humorous. For example:

You - "Hey, look over there!" *point at something*
Her - "omg, what?" *looking*
You - *put arm behind her*

Yes, it's a TV cliche, but women are stupid for that stuff so go for it. The other cliche of course is to stretch and rest your arm behind her on the rebound. In either case, make sure it's obvious enough that she notices and that she knows it's your intention that she notices. Otherwise, she may not realize you're being silly, and possibly she will become uncomfortable. Once again though, you can roughly judge her interest based upon her reaction. If she doesn't think it's funny, she's not into you; sit next to someone else. If she laughs and later does the same thing to you, she probably wants your babies.

3) "Accidentally," rest your arm on top of hers if the seats in the movie theater have arm rests. Then apologize and if she says it's fine and seems like she might be into you, reply "well in that case" and lightly tickle her knee. Because her legs are below her shoulders, this is more risqué than the previous two moves, so don't try it unless you're confident that she's okay with your forward humor.

4) When things are going well enough that the two of you are comfortable touching each other in a more than "just friends" kind of way but aren't kissing yet, there is a fake kissing technique that is hilarious when it isn't creepy. Huge emphasis though on "when it isn't creepy," so you really need to be confident that you can pull it off without being offensive. This is how it works:

Hold her head in your hands, place your hand over her mouth and then kiss your hand. Obviously you can't just grab her head out of nowhere, you have to build up context first. I'll leave that part to you.

Or you can just lick the side of her face, women don't mind this at all :lol:
 
Sorry that didn't work out for you. How exactly did you behave? Without waiting for a reply though, here are some suggestions.
She informed me via voice mail. It's going to be awkward seeing her again, but I plan to just ask her to forget the whole thing in order to minimize awkwardness.

1) When preparing to go somewhere (walking), say "shall we go?" and offer your arm to her. Not just your hand, your entire arm. The reasoning behind this is that many women will feel uncomfortable holding hands with a man who they're not actively interested in and consequently will be intimidated by the offer. However, locking arms is such an overly formal and antiquated gesture that most women will appreciate how hilariously out of context it is and accept, although only momentarily. This is a good way to gauge her interest because for starters, it isn't nearly as alienating and uncomfortable if she refuses, but also because you can judge her interest in your based on her follow-up behavior. If she lets go relatively soon afterward, she's probably not interested. However, if she happily clings to your arm and leans into you, then she probably wants to have your babies.
I already knew this one; it's an excellent technique. Also, I am somewhat confused as to why you are offering me such advice given the situation.