You guys are missing the fucking point. You guys continue to bash and talk shit yet unless you can write better music, then i suggest you keep it to yourself or dont come in the INFLAMES forum only to bitch. At least have something that starts a converstaion that is deeper than OH THEY SUCK, blah , blah , blah. Thats already been stated fifty times, Do we really need another thread to turn into bitch session? I mean do any of you guys that bitch all day work or have girlfriends or do anything constructive, or are you just pessimistic. Go listen to your fucking Burzum or Grotesque records and quit bitching all the time. If you are gonna interject your opinions at least be diplomatic and intelligent about it. Try talking to people like fucking human beings.