Thoughts on NSBM

[Henrik Main]

I know quite a few people that are hesitant to check out material by NS bands, mainly because they don't want to support their cause by buying CDs and other merchandise.

Myself, I tend to focus on the music and not the political stance of the persons behind the music, and thus I don't really have any problems listening to Graveland and such. I'm not too comfortable listening to bands with very "unsubtle" NS song titles/lyrics, though. And gimmicks such as on Nokturnal Mortum's "NeChrist" (88 tracks) and redneckish lyrics like Arghoslent's really seem very silly to me.

What are your stance on this topic?

 

[NAD]

I'm curious about Tranquillian's thoughts on this, because I know he vehemently opposes NS bands.

Personally I find it a bit goofy (like Arghoslent's lyrics, which damn near killed me I was laughing so hard) and I don't support it, but since I rarely pay attention to lyrics it doesn't bother me. The music is more important than idealogy.

Oh yeah, and by the way Henrikmain, there is a HUGE thread somewhere around here on NSBM. Found it: http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95765&

 

[Krilons Resa]

I don't care. Quite frankly, I find it rather amusing.

 

[Henrik Main]

Oh yeah, and by the way Henrikmain, there is a HUGE thread somewhere around here on NSBM. Found it: http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95765&

Thanks. A very interesting read, that was. Perhaps I should've bumped that thread instead of creating this one, but the search function didn't appeal to me this fine eve

 

[Ayeka]

I know quite a few people that are hesitant to check out material by NS bands, mainly because they don't want to support their cause by buying CDs and other merchandise.

The same people who pay their taxes that are used by governments to declare war on Third World countries are hesitent about buying NSBM because it'll put a few pennies is a skinhead's pocket. I still think that's kinda cute

NSBM is like any other kind of music - some of it is uber cool, some of it is shit and some of it is just quite average. So you can treat it like any other kind of music and enjoy it for being music, and look past any lyrics and sentiments that might be bothering you. Let's face it, most of these bands, you wouldn't have a clue what they were saying without a lyric sheet, and if you had to listen to them blind without knowing they were Nazis it wouldn't be a problem.

Good NSBM can either be harsh, heavy-as-fuck goodness or can instil a sense of pride through listening. Or both. I also enjoy it because each album I buy feels like a grand two fingers to Jews and asylum seekers, who everyone here knows I hate "I'm a proud white boy and there's nothing you can do to change that! Fuck off!" is what we're talking about. So I'm all up for getting hold of more of it and putting more pennies in their pockets.

On a related note, I ordered Slavonic Pride by Saltus today. W00t

 

[MajestikMøøse]

I'm just going to say that I think it's somewhat funny to not support NS bands (because, uh, they hate jews, blah blah) and then to go around buying Watain and Deathspell Omega albums, or even any of the multitude of "kill all christians" type bands. Somehow saying (and meaning it) that 1) everyone or 2) all christians should be killed is OK... but DARE to write "KILL ALL JEWS" in a lyric and 90% of the metal "scene" will instantly shun you. Hypocrisy at its finest.

exactly.

 

[Ayeka]

This is a decent album but unfortunately only half of it is metal. Every other song is an orchestral piece performed by keyboards, and while they're not bad at all they're nowhere near, say, Varggoth's keyboard compositions in Nokturnal Mortum, or Darken's Lord Wind project. The metal songs have that distinctly eastern feel to them and are good (especially the first one) but hardly essential.

Hmmm...interesting! I been wanting to look into this area a bit more recently (J. providing some nice Hate Forest pointers) so this could turn out to be good for me Be gutted if I get bored by 'em though!

I couldn't agree more with the comments on hypocrisy. History, of course, is written by the winners, hence most people being brainwashed to see the Third Reich as the most unholy, godless, evil thing that ever existed. Ignore the fact that the British invented the death camp, ignore the fact that Stalin sent far more people to death camps than Hitler did (sometimes for even less logical reasons), ignore every sick trick that the Jews are pulling off in Israel these days. It's quite sad how most of these people think they're clued up to the nines by saying what a bad man Hitler was, yet every time they open their mouths they prove themselves to be as ignorant and brainwashed as the people they're critiscizing, if not more.

Funnily enough, one of my mates has a Jewish granddad who he gets very protective about. Last night he was saying about how he's gonna be buying himself a Volkswagen camper van. I made sure I pointed out who he has to thank for the Volkswagen

 

[Rodrigo]

I seperate music and lyrical idealogy. If I like what I hear I will listen to it regardless of what the message is.

 

[HarmonyDies....]

I think Erik is 100% right on this one, it doesn't make sense to say "CHRISTIAN ARE IDIOTS AND NEED TO DIE", and blow it off and then when it comes to being about Jews, you get all antsy-pantsy. It just doesn't make sense at all. Also, you aren't realy supporting NS bands persay, it's not like they get much money from these CD's at all.

 

[JayKeeley]

The only problem I have with NSBM is with idiots who have put no thought into their personal belief other than to spew hate towards "my pals", etc just because they are 'non-white'. That is worthless crap and not even worthy of being labelled NSBM. Even true fans of NSBM would probably agree with that.

And if the music happens to be good, then by all means download it. Otherwise, these fucks sit there looking at their album sales thinking that everyone buying their records must somehow automatically agree with their lyrics or belief, and I could never give them that satisfaction. Plus I don't want Nazi memorabilia sitting on my coffee table, but I'll take a CD-R thank you very much.

It's probably one of the few times where I advocate downloading of music simply to prevent the artist from recognizing album sales.

Final point - most NSBM is a gimmick (as we've all pretty much established) since most fans of NSBM buy the records without needing to like the music. That seems redundant (retarded) to me, and also tells me that I can make a 20 minute 'limited edition' demo on Pro-Tools, slap a swastika, fine art painting, or dead forest on the cover, and the next thing I know, I've sold 1000 copies in a week. So if you are buying it for ideology only, I wouldn't be surprised if someone with a good sense of humour has already made a fake NSBM demo and sold it out. Funnier still, he was probably a Jew in corpsepaint - who else knows how to make a quicker buck?

 

[J.]

If I like the music, I'll get it. It's that simple. Like someone said, without the lyric sheet, no one would be wiser in regards to what they are saying. Can anyone really understand what Nokturnal Mortum are screaming about? I doubt it.

I don't mind if people have a problem buying NSBM. It's their choice. But if they choose to ignore NSBM or "nazi" music, then please don't ignore Graveland, and then turn around and buy Drudkh or Nokturnal Mortum, or ignore Arghoslent and Kristallnacht then purchase everything from Hate Forest. It just makes no sense. I'm not saying anyone here does that, but I've seen it around UM.

And Erik made a perfect point. It's OK to "Kill the Christians, rape Virgin Mary, and anally probe Jesus", but when the Jews (personally, I don't see why people have such hate towards these people; not to mention that Jesus was a Jew) are mentioned, everyone goes nuts.

 

[Black Winter Day]

So I assume J. stands for Jew?

 

[J.]

Was that suppose to be an insult on AWMM's part? Quite frankly, it didn't offend me in the least.

 

[Black Winter Day]

He's not very good at, but that (for some reason) was abit funny

 

[J.]

Why? I just don't get it. Is calling a non-Jew a Jew an insult? So if someone calls me a my pals, am I suppose to be insulted?

Besides, J. stands for Jeff. duh....

 

[NAD]

Yeah I knew J. stood for Jeff, every time I fall into his eGay traps I know that.

JayKeeley makes an excellent point, and Erik's is of course completely true. What kinda sucks is the fact that I've always ignored the skinhead moron music from the US (and there is a lot), but the few NSBM-related stuff like Drudkh and Nokturnal Mortem is very highly muchly good music, so it's a shame that this type of thought is made by some excellent musicians.

Ayeka, I agree with you as well, except Hitler was as much of a cunt as those other fuckers you alluded to.

 

[JayKeeley]

I don't mind if people have a problem buying NSBM. It's their choice. But if they choose to ignore NSBM or "nazi" music, then please don't ignore Graveland, and then turn around and buy Drudkh or Nokturnal Mortum, or ignore Arghoslent and Kristallnacht then purchase everything from Hate Forest. It just makes no sense. I'm not saying anyone here does that, but I've seen it around UM.

The only problem I have with NSBM is with idiots who have put no thought into their personal belief other than to spew hate towards "my pals", etc just because they are 'non-white'. That is worthless crap and not even worthy of being labelled NSBM. Even true fans of NSBM would probably agree with that.

There is a difference between singing about your pagan/heathen ancestary and shite like "kill the my pals, kill the my pals" a la Arghoslent. Regardless of whether you can understand the lyrics or not shouldn't make a difference. It means people are listening to it for the background music (not the foreground lyrical content), and therefore implying that they would still listen to it even if the lyrics were comprehensible.

And somehow in this shithole of an underground that we exist within, the fans get to decide which band fits into which category, and so neo-nazi skinhead bands now latch on to the pride of others who otherwise never wrote lyrics to incite lynching.

 

[Ayeka]

So if you are buying it for ideology only, I wouldn't be surprised if someone with a good sense of humour has already made a fake NSBM demo and sold it out.

KamiKazeKrieg

Funnier still, he was probably a Jew in corpsepaint - who else knows how to make a quicker buck?

 

[Ayeka]

Ayeka, I agree with you as well, except Hitler was as much of a cunt as those other fuckers you alluded to.

Indeed. History decides which cunts become national heroes, and which ones will be vilified forever (unless a successful revisionist comes along )

 

[Tranquillian]

It's just a gut feeling for me and I haven't really thought about why I can't listen to it for the sake of the music and ignore the rest of it.. I don't want to support racism.
I know I may be hypocritical because I listen to Drudkh, but it's a different band without any NS-lyrics or imagery as far as I can tell.