Took a long road trip, listened to all John Bush era albums

[Thrashard]

So You are saying that Layne Staley (singer for a "GRUNGE" band) covered a song by Armored Saint (from 1984) and Bush is GRUNGE? Think about it, moron! LAYNE STALEY WAS COVERING JOHN BUSH (not the other way around)!!!!! Think ABOUT IT!!! Bush may have created a "trend" but he was NOT following a trend. Others follow JOHN, not the other way around. John was around 1st!!!!!! People followed him, not the other way around! Get your facts straight ya weenie!

i'm sorry man but you don't seem to understand anything, it wasn't about Bush following anybody or chasing trends, you just stated that Bush is NOT grunge which is true and mentioned Layne Staley (one of the grunge-pioneers) to proof it which is not very clever.

 

[tomass74]

Durring that time of Grunge, Groove, Industriel and Nu-Metal Anthrax was not going to wash off that 80's label. Nobody was listening to that stuff anymore. Joey would have just made it worse.
Anthrax fell out of the spotlight in 90's because they were steriotyped.
Best thing they could have done was changed names when John joined the group.

Megadeth and Slayer held their own during the 90's... Their core fans stayed with them..

It was different with Anthrax. I didn't stop listening to them because of any 80's stereo type. I stopped because the music was boring as fuck..

 

[Thrashard]

Have you ever listened to AIC? The only thing grunge about them is they were from Seattle. The irony? Anyway, the 80's are popular now and the 90's will be next. That's how trends work.

yes, i have listened to AIC but i found 'em boring because i don't like grunge and i like my music fast & heavy (Thrash & HC).
if AIC isn't grunge than what is? and how would you describe AIC? metal? AIC were one of the first Seattle-bands, Seattle = grunge, Nevermore is an exception, they are a metal band. Seattle also had Thrash, Panic was a Thrash band from Seattle produced by the H-Team (Holt/Hunolt), they promoted themselves with "real metal from Seattle".

i'm sorry but the 90's won't get popular again because they were lame, a re-hash of the decades before them, everything was slowed down and more boring, there was not much new original music in the 90's except Techno. the 80's were raw & wild that's why the people still like that stuff, even the young people. the 80's were the best decade for all kinds of music, just compare the pop-music from back in the day with the crap that's in the charts nowadays.

 

[Thrashard]

When the book is written on this band there will not be many historians that will associate Anthrax with songs like 'Safe Home', 'inside out' etc. They will associate Anthrax with "Indians" "Caught In a Mosh" etc.

agreed! you could add "I Am The Law", "Madhouse", "Antisocial", "Got The Time", "I'm The Man", "Bring The Noise", those are the songs that made Anthrax big!

 

[ShadowOfTheWave]

It's usually claimed that the Bushthrax music was grunge, (which alot of it was) not Bush's voice. However, his voice does fit perfectly with the grunge era.

Yeah, only John was asked to sing for Metallica, but I really don't think they were looking for Joey's style...

 

[Thrashard]

Staley and the one guitarist look gay in that video lol, especially the guitarist with his pink skirt lmao. do they wanna be girls???

 

[spacebeer]

I like AIC for what they are, one of the few grunge bands I can stand

 

[DumbAss]

Megadeth and Slayer held their own during the 90's... Their core fans stayed with them..

It was different with Anthrax. I didn't stop listening to them because of any 80's stereo type. I stopped because the music was boring as fuck..

Dude, that's bullshit and you know it. All of their record sales plummeted.
In the '90's, 80's metal was considered cheesey. Guitar solos were a thing of the past. Core fans don't make for record sales. Please don't pretend this isn't true.

 

[Thrashard]

In the '90's, 80's metal was considered cheesey. Guitar solos were a thing of the past.

not for real metalheads! 80's metal isn't cheesy, it's classic, something that most of the stuff released in the 90's never will be.

 

[whitey131]

Waaaaaaaaa......God dam.
Every time some one sayd "The fans want....." to defend THEIR opinion I want to punch a baby.
I'm a fan, you're a fan, our opinions may not be the same. Quit trying to justify YOUR opinion as being some how more viable.

 

[ironmaidenfan09]

Dude, that's bullshit and you know it. All of their record sales plummeted.
In the '90's, 80's metal was considered cheesey. Guitar solos were a thing of the past. Core fans don't make for record sales. Please don't pretend this isn't true.

The fact is the Core fans of Slayer and other thrash bands stayed true to them. Sure their record sales weren't as strong as they were when they were on MTV and had all of the maistream publicity that the Grunge movement took over. But in the end the core Slayer fans stuck by them and respected the fact that they never tried to go to a gunge sound or sell out like metallica etc. Now Slayer is almost just as big as they were back in the 80's. Record sales might not reflect it but concert attendance sure does. Same with Iron Maiden and others that stuck true to their sound.

Anthrax's changed to a more Grungy sound, got rid of a lot of the guitar solos and still couldn't sell out a small club. Their core fans didn't buy the records or go to the shows anymore. They lost a lot of respect from their original fans.

Now hopefully they can make up for a decade of shit.

 

[esloan]

Dude, that's bullshit and you know it. All of their record sales plummeted.
In the '90's, 80's metal was considered cheesey. Guitar solos were a thing of the past. Core fans don't make for record sales. Please don't pretend this isn't true.

Such absolute, total bullshit.

Take a look:

Slayer's Divine Intervention came out on Sept. 27 1994 and sold 93,000 copies in its first week. It was soon certified gold and was Slayer's biggest success to that point.

Diabolus in Musica (Slayer's weakest album, imo) came out on June 9, 1998 and sold 46,000 copies in its first week. It has since gone on to sell 290,000 copies. Most would agree that this is, by far, Slayer's weakest album. Yet, it still sold reasonably well.

Megadeth's Countdown to Extinction was released on July 14, 1992 and went on to go double platinum, selling over two million copies.

Youthanasia was released on November 1, 1994 and went on to go platinum faster than any Megadeth album ever.

Cryptic Writings was released on June 17, 1997 and was Megadeths's six consecutive album to be certified gold.

Risk was Megadeth's next album and was the closest thing to a failure they have ever had. Most would also agree it was their worst album.

Notice a pattern here? The good or decent albums by both bands sold well, the ones that were not good, did not sell. You can blame Anthrax's lack of sales in the 90s on the "metal scene being dead" all you want but had they made good albums they would have sold fine.

Anthrax bombed in the 90s and beyond, not because metal was dead but because they changed their style and the new music, with a few exceptions, stunk. It wasn't just because of Bush. Hell, it probably wasn't even mostly because of Bush. It was because they decided to change their style and go with the trends.

By the way, I have never called Bush a grunge singer. To the contrary, I think Bush is a great metal vocalist. I love his stuff in Armored Saint. But his Anthrax stuff is sub-par, mostly because the music is sub-par. Not entirely his fault but there you go.

 

[Social Distortion]

I don't see it happening like the thrash revival. The first grunge movement lasted all but two and half years. Nirvana was fading at their second album, and Pearl Jam was barely hanging on by their third album.

I was really talking about how the 80's are trendy now, so the 90's will be next. Anyway, Pearl Jam isn't doing that bad these days, I'm sure Nirvana would be fine too. Look at Alice In Chains, they got an unknown vocalist to replace the replace Layne and they're still doing pretty good.

yes, i have listened to AIC but i found 'em boring because i don't like grunge and i like my music fast & heavy (Thrash & HC).
if AIC isn't grunge than what is? and how would you describe AIC? metal? AIC were one of the first Seattle-bands, Seattle = grunge, Nevermore is an exception, they are a metal band. Seattle also had Thrash, Panic was a Thrash band from Seattle produced by the H-Team (Holt/Hunolt), they promoted themselves with "real metal from Seattle".

i'm sorry but the 90's won't get popular again because they were lame, a re-hash of the decades before them, everything was slowed down and more boring, there was not much new original music in the 90's except Techno. the 80's were raw & wild that's why the people still like that stuff, even the young people. the 80's were the best decade for all kinds of music, just compare the pop-music from back in the day with the crap that's in the charts nowadays.

No, I wouldn't call them metal, but they're not grunge either. They're a rock band. Hey, they have guitar solos and everything!

 

[Social Distortion]

Such absolute, total bullshit.

Take a look:

Slayer's Divine Intervention came out on Sept. 27 1994 and sold 93,000 copies in its first week. It was soon certified gold and was Slayer's biggest success to that point.

Diabolus in Musica (Slayer's weakest album, imo) came out on June 9, 1998 and sold 46,000 copies in its first week. It has since gone on to sell 290,000 copies. Most would agree that this is, by far, Slayer's weakest album. Yet, it still sold reasonably well.

Megadeth's Countdown to Extinction was released on July 14, 1992 and went on to go double platinum, selling over two million copies.

Youthanasia was released on November 1, 1994 and went on to go platinum faster than any Megadeth album ever.

Cryptic Writings was released on June 17, 1997 and was Megadeths's six consecutive album to be certified gold.

You don't see a downward spiral right there?

 

[ironmaidenfan09]

I was really talking about how the 80's are trendy now, so the 90's will be next. Anyway, Pearl Jam isn't doing that bad these days, I'm sure Nirvana would be fine too. Look at Alice In Chains, they got an unknown vocalist to replace the replace Layne and they're still doing pretty good.



No, I wouldn't call them metal, but they're not grunge either. They're a rock band. Hey, they have guitar solos and everything!

Alice in Chains is one of the best bands of the 90's. I love their latest album. It is heavy and also has nice acoustic type stuff. They are just a great hard rock band that is hard to classify.

I first heard them when they opened on the Clash of The Titans. Nobody knew about them back then but they were really good live and I was a fan since then. Layne Staley was amazing. What a shame what drugs will do to a person. The new singer is pretty damn good. There aren't many vocalists that could fill in for Layne and even hold a torch to him. But he does a pretty good job. Good enough to revitalize AIC's career.

 

[esloan]

You don't see a downward spiral right there?

I see a couple of bands that still sold well to their core audience. Metal fans are pretty reliable folks when it comes to bands. Continue making solid music and don't drastically change your style to ride the trends and they will continue supporting you.

Megadeth and Slayer, for the most part, did both. Anthrax did neither.

Anthrax paid the price and their careers nearly ended because of it.

 

[esloan]

Alice in Chains is one of the best bands of the 90's. I love their latest album. It is heavy and also has nice acoustic type stuff. They are just a great hard rock band that is hard to classify.

I first heard them when they opened on the Clash of The Titans. Nobody knew about them back then but they were really good live and I was a fan since then. Layne Staley was amazing. What a shame what drugs will do to a person. The new singer is pretty damn good. There aren't many vocalists that could fill in for Layne and even hold a torch to him. But he does a pretty good job. Good enough to revitalize AIC's career.

Haha, I saw AiC on the Clash of the Titans tour as well. I really felt sorry for them. Staley was in a wheelchair for a broken leg, no one had ever really heard of them, their music did not mesh with the other bands well and they were opening up for Slayer. A bad situation all around. They nearly got boo'ed off the stage, despite the fact that they sounded good.

People were throwing stuff at Staley, who could not dodge because of the wheelchair. The entire audience was chanting "Slayer, Slayer, SLAYER!!!" over and over the entire set.

Still, they performed like champs and weathered it all. I gained a lot of respect for them that day. They are still the only grunge band I can stomach, except for a very few Pear Jam songs.

 

[Social Distortion]

Alice in Chains is one of the best bands of the 90's. I love their latest album. It is heavy and also has nice acoustic type stuff. They are just a great hard rock band that is hard to classify.

Exactly. AIC is a great example that not everything sucked in the 90's. AIC, White Zombie, Pantera...

 

[ironmaidenfan09]

Haha, I saw AiC on the Clash of the Titans tour as well. I really felt sorry for them. Staley was in a wheelchair for a broken leg, no one had ever really heard of them, their music did not mesh with the other bands well and they were opening up for Slayer. A bad situation all around. They nearly got boo'ed off the stage, despite the fact that they sounded good.

People were throwing stuff at Staley, who could not dodge because of the wheelchair. The entire audience was chanting "Slayer, Slayer, SLAYER!!!" over and over the entire set.

Still, they performed like champs and weathered it all. I gained a lot of respect for them that day. They are still the only grunge band I can stomach, except for a very few Pear Jam songs.

I actually spoke to Jerry Cantrell about that tour. He said it was 'brutal'. Said they got so much shit thrown at them and were boo'd so much that it was the hardest tour they have ever been on. He told a band of mine that after a show we did with him. Our band got boo'd opening for Jerry and he was cool as shit. He came into the dressing room and he was like 'you guys think that is bad? try opening for Slayer!' it was funny shit!

 

[quickstop]

I hope that Anthrax can increase or regain much of their following. They do have one thing working against them. Their main hits that attracted a broader fanbase were drastically different than the rest of their music (I'm the man, Bring the Noise). A lot of their increased sales and fanbase at that time were due to those songs.