Took a long road trip, listened to all John Bush era albums

[Matt Bello]

That is completely absurd. Those are Joey's songs. He sang them, he wrote the lyrics. He sounds better than John any day on those classic songs. John honestly didn't sound that good doing Joeys songs. Joey has much more of a range and can sing faster songs better.

If you think Joey has no energy you may want to go see an Anthrax show on this upcoming tour. He knows how to work the crowd.

"Sounds goofy and Cartoonish?' you seriously are an idiot. I don't know if you have John Bush's cock so far up your ass that you just can't think straight or what. But give me a fucking break. Go tell the 100k fans that watched those big 4 shows that Joey sounded goofy and cartoonish.

John Bush is a good vocalist, he is great in armored saint. But doesn't fit ANTHRAX. Thats just a fact. Record sales don't lie.

WCFYA was an average album at best. Maybe 3 or 4 good songs total. Some of the songs are horrible. Below average production. No way did that album catapult them to another level. If they did another album with Bush it would have flopped like the previous 3 Bush albums and Anthrax would be disbanded

If Joey was so much great, Why, after the reunion tour, the band part away with him and want so much the return of John??
Why have taking him back just when they had try anything to bring John back in the band and see that they can't??
Agreed with you, the record sale don't lie, let see the record sale numbers for the next album (if they release it with Joey).

 

[ironmaidenfan09]

If Joey was so much great, Why, after the reunion tour, the band part away with him and want so much the return of John??
Why have taking him back just when they had try anything to bring John back in the band and see that they can't??
Agreed with you, the record sale don't lie, let see the record sale numbers for the next album (if they release it with Joey).

I honestly think the entire thing is Scott Ian's ego that gets in the way. The Reunion tour was a huge success financially. It gave Anthrax a 'buzz' again. This is the same band that fired Joey the first time around which was the biggest mistake in their history. If the band wants another mallcore grove rock album with the same vocal sound of the past 10 years they might as well just call it quits now because nobody other than a few John Bush fans on this forum want to hear that again.

I think the fans are speaking loud and clear at these festival tours, now they are getting invited to the American Carnage Tour.. things are movingforward. They would have never been part of this festival is Dan Nelson was their singer, nor if John Bush was. Why do you think they were never invited to the main stage at Ozzfest with John Bush? The fans didn't want it. Thats just a fact. They didn't have any pull in the metal world. They could barely get 300 people into a club at one point.

If you really think The John Bush era was that great you are in the minority. That is fine, but now your day in the sun is over. Your boy John Bush didn't want to come back to the band. So go cry to him. You have this "bring back bush" bull shit in your signature. It was his choice to leave the band and not come back.

 

[ShadowOfTheWave]

Why would sales of the new album even be considered? No one buys albums anymore, sales have decreased by over 70% since the last Anthrax release.

 

[ironmaidenfan09]

Why would sales of the new album even be considered? No one buys albums anymore, sales have decreased by over 70% since the last Anthrax release.

Yeah sales typically aren't shit these days. The most important is the touring and merch sales. And despite what anyone thinks of Joey's voice. Anthrax's popularity is definitely higher when he is in the band. So that will definitely help ticket sales and merch sales for the band. Which in turn will help them continue on even with limited label support.

 

[Thrashard]

Why would sales of the new album even be considered? No one buys albums anymore, sales have decreased by over 70% since the last Anthrax release.

record-sales are still important for a band, they will always be but nowadays many unknown bands make more money with touring and merch than with album-sales. famous artists still sell millions of records.

 

[Thrashard]

Bring Back Bush!-signatures are soo dated! they are only for people who are living in the past and still listen to Bushthrax which was typical boring 90's music, the 80's were soo much better that's why 80's music & fashion is so popular nowadays, the 90's were the most boring decade for music and fashion overall.

 

[trickrtreat]

DeuxMonkey might not be the greatest band but it's on par with Bushthrax.

What is your point? That Spitz can't do other projects? He has lost his skills? Every musician branches out and does experimental shit from time to time.

Spitz is the best guitarist Anthrax has ever had. Even stuck around after John Bush joined. But got out once the rest of the band wanted to go a totally different direction.

And now he's recording some of the worst guitar solos known to man. Who would've guessed? Keep Rob in the fold; his solos on the new songs are worthy, esp. Vampyres.

 

[vomit]

If Joey was so much great, Why, after the reunion tour, the band part away with him and want so much the return of John??
Why have taking him back just when they had try anything to bring John back in the band and see that they can't??
Agreed with you, the record sale don't lie, let see the record sale numbers for the next album (if they release it with Joey).

Good words.

We all have an opinion on who is the "best" singer for Anthrax. But we can all agree that 1) Only John was asked to sing for Metallica and 2) after the Nelson debacle Scott & Charlie wanted John back. Clearly John was their favorite. So whether or not you like Metallica (or Scott & Charlie) he fronted one of the big four and was asked by another to be their frontman.

And all this ridiculous stuff about Bush being "grunge" is plain idiocy. Whatever you all think of John, he has his own style (dating back to at least '83) which many imitate, but none compare. There is Youtube footage of Layne Staley's High School band covering Armored Saint.....so again, Bush being "grunge" is sheer idiocy......think about it. As far as Joey having more range than John? Yeah right. Bush may not hit the highs like Joey but he owns the low and mid-registers. And may I say, he has cojones. And is much better with the crowd.

Opinions one and all. Except for what I just wrote, which are FACTS.

Don't question it.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxU6NizWHBE&feature=player_embedded[/ame]

 

[spacebeer]

If Joey was so much great, Why, after the reunion tour, the band part away with him and want so much the return of John??

Do you seriously think that had something to do with the vocal capabilities of Joey? Or would it be something business/money related regarding Mr. Ian and Benante....

 

[spacebeer]

Why would sales of the new album even be considered? No one buys albums anymore, sales have decreased by over 70% since the last Anthrax release.

Indeed, even if they sell just as much as WCFYA did you have to multiply it 10-fold to get a "fair" comparison. Even Judas Priest and Maiden don't sell shit anymore...

 

[trickrtreat]

We all have an opinion on who is the "best" singer for Anthrax. But we can all agree that 1) Only John was asked to sing for Metallica and 2) after the Nelson debacle Scott & Charlie wanted John back. Clearly John was their favorite. So whether or not you like Metallica (or Scott & Charlie) he fronted one of the big four and was asked by another to be their frontman.

And all this ridiculous stuff about Bush being "grunge" is plain idiocy. Whatever you all think of John, he has his own style (dating back to at least '83) which many imitate, but none compare. There is Youtube footage of Layne Staley's High School band covering Armored Saint.....so again, Bush being "grunge" is sheer idiocy......think about it. As far as Joey having more range than John? Yeah right. Bush may not hit the highs like Joey but he owns the low and mid-registers. And may I say, he has cojones. And is much better with the crowd.

Would Metallica be as big as they are today if Bush were their singer? I think so.

I think Joey works the crowd better than Bush. Joey is simple but effective, kinda like Ozzy used to be. Bush just kinda skulked around like a wannabe Anselmo.

 

[Thrashard]

Bush is much better with the crowd? Joey is a pretty good frontman. Scott & Charly favorited Bush, yes but the majority of their fans prefers the Belladonna-era, fact. record-sales don't lie, all Joey-records sold well and went gold, I'm The Man went platinum, SOWN was still very successful and went gold but everything after White Noise (almost the whole Bush-era) didn't sell, Stomp was a flop, 100.000 records sold in '95, long before the internet download-boom that hurt the music industry, Volume 8 was a flop, only 80.000 records sold, yes i know their record-company went out of business but if Stomp had sold better then Elektra wouldn't have dropped Anthrax. WCFYA sold better than the previous 2 due to a record-deal with Nuclear Blast in europe, ok it was in a time when record-sales decreased in general but it was nothing compared to the millions of Joeythrax-sales, those are facts.

 

[vomit]

Would Metallica be as big as they are today if Bush were their singer? I think so.

I think Joey works the crowd better than Bush. Joey is simple but effective, kinda like Ozzy used to be. Bush just kinda skulked around like a wannabe Anselmo.

Well, again, Bush was around LONG before Phil hit the scene, and I never saw ANY reason to compare the two. Just don't see it.

Joey IS a good frontman. Just (IMO) not as good as John. Again, if you saw the Anthrax: Behind the Music thingy (in '02) both Scott & Charlie say the same thing. They wanted a frontman to OWN the crowd, and be there not to just deliver the lyrics but to captivate the crowd. Even, as recently as a few months ago, Mr. Ian made note of this by stating Anthrax wants a "Lion" (Bush) not a "bird" (Joey).

Facts.

I could give a crap less about record sales, for the most part. Obviiously the 80s metal scene sold A LOT better than the 90s for VARIOUS reasons. But who cares? If I am that interested in record sales I would avoid metal and listen to Justin Bieber or some other crap.....

 

[Thrashard]

And all this ridiculous stuff about Bush being "grunge" is plain idiocy. There is Youtube footage of Layne Staley's High School band covering Armored Saint.....so again, Bush being "grunge" is sheer idiocy......think about it.

i'm sorry man but that quote makes you look like an idiot because AIC were among the first grunge-bands, one of the pioneers of the genre together with Nirvana, Soundgarden and Pearl Jam so Layne Staley is the worst example if you wanna state that Bush is NOT grunge.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_in_Chains (Alice IN Chains' wikipedia-entry in german, it says they are a grunge-band and pioneered the genre)

i also don't think that Bushthrax was grunge but an influence was undoubtedly there.

 

[Social Distortion]

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_in_Chains (Alice IN Chains' wikipedia-entry in german, it says they are a grunge-band and pioneered the genre)

Have you ever listened to AIC? The only thing grunge about them is they were from Seattle.

Bring Back Bush!-signatures are soo dated! they are only for people who are living in the past and still listen to Bushthrax which was typical boring 90's music, the 80's were soo much better that's why 80's music & fashion is so popular nowadays, the 90's were the most boring decade for music and fashion overall.

The irony? Anyway, the 80's are popular now and the 90's will be next. That's how trends work.

 

[vomit]

i'm sorry man but that quote makes you look like an idiot because AIC were among the first grunge-bands, one of the pioneers of the genre together with Nirvana, Soundgarden and Pearl Jam so Layne Staley is the worst example if you wanna state that Bush is NOT grunge.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_in_Chains (Alice IN Chains' wikipedia-entry in german, it says they are a grunge-band and pioneered the genre)

i also don't think that Bushthrax was grunge but an influence was undoubtedly there.

So You are saying that Layne Staley (singer for a "GRUNGE" band) covered a song by Armored Saint (from 1984) and Bush is GRUNGE? Think about it, moron! LAYNE STALEY WAS COVERING JOHN BUSH (not the other way around)!!!!! Think ABOUT IT!!! Bush may have created a "trend" but he was NOT following a trend. Others follow JOHN, not the other way around. John was around 1st!!!!!! People followed him, not the other way around! Get your facts straight ya weenie!

 

[ironmaidenfan09]

I think people need to really stop the Bush Vs. Belladonna hate. There is no reason to hate either of these guys. People will have different opinions on who's voice and stage presence they like the best. Neither of those guys are bad people, in fact both are good guys. It is the rest of the band members you need to look at.

The biggest issue here is what style of Anthrax do you like better.

1. Thrash Metal / Speed Metal
2. Power Grove / Heavy Rock

Personally I like the Thrash Metal era. To me that is what Anthrax was all about. Some of the best Thrash metal in history. I can't say the same about the later era. There is nothing memorable to me about the Bush era. They seemed to try and copy current trends instead of create them.

When the book is written on this band there will not be many historians that will associate Anthrax with songs like 'Safe Home', 'inside out' etc. They will associate Anthrax with "Indians" "Caught In a Mosh" etc.

The band members aka Scott Ian may want John Bush, he probably has a closer relationship with him. But that doesn't mean thats what the fans want. The fans want Joey back and that over all is a fact.

Another fact is John Bush said he was not interested in coming back. So anyone that is doing this 'bring back bush' campaign needs to go to a John Bush forum and beg him to change his mind. He is the one that doesn't want to come back.

You should also start a 'Thank you Joey' campaign. If it wasn't for Joey agreeing to come back and sing for Anthrax this band would be extinct right now. Joey literally saved Anthrax. If I was Joey I would tell those guys to fuck themselves. Firing him after POT was the biggest mistake the band ever made, especially after how amazing that album was and took them into a different direction. Scott Ian has some chip on his shoulder. Maybe he doesn't personally get along with Joey? Maybe he has a 'special' relationship with Bush? Who knows what the politics are inside the band. But the Anthrax fans (other than a few Bush babys on this forum) want Joey back and they want ANTHRASH back!

 

[trickrtreat]

The irony? Anyway, the 80's are popular now and the 90's will be next. That's how trends work.

I don't see it happening like the thrash revival. The first grunge movement lasted all but two and half years. Nirvana was fading at their second album, and Pearl Jam was barely hanging on by their third album.

Well, again, Bush was around LONG before Phil hit the scene, and I never saw ANY reason to compare the two. Just don't see it.

Bush's stage demeanor DRASTICALLY changed when he switched from Saint to Anthrax. He went into total "tough guy" mode, and many of the fans weren't buying it. He also changed his vocal stylings to sound more like Eddie Vedder.

 

[trickrtreat]

The band members aka Scott Ian may want John Bush, he probably has a closer relationship with him. But that doesn't mean thats what the fans want. The fans want Joey back and that over all is a fact.

Another fact is John Bush said he was not interested in coming back. So anyone that is doing this 'bring back bush' campaign needs to go to a John Bush forum and beg him to change his mind. He is the one that doesn't want to come back.

You should also start a 'Thank you Joey' campaign. If it wasn't for Joey agreeing to come back and sing for Anthrax this band would be extinct right now. Joey literally saved Anthrax. If I was Joey I would tell those guys to fuck themselves. Firing him after POT was the biggest mistake the band ever made, especially after how amazing that album was and took them into a different direction. Scott Ian has some chip on his shoulder. Maybe he doesn't personally get along with Joey? Maybe he has a 'special' relationship with Bush? Who knows what the politics are inside the band. But the Anthrax fans (other than a few Bush babys on this forum) want Joey back and they want ANTHRASH back!

IDK. I think it's well known that Charlie calls the shots, so it's he you should be thanking for throwing a bucket of cash at Joey, persuading him to come back. Charlie's giving the fans what they want: He's writing thrashier songs, and he brought back Joey despite the prospect of Scott leaving. Doesn't Charlie write most the riffs? He will always trump Scott.

 

[scottishthrax]

IDK. I think it's well known that Charlie calls the shots, so it's he you should be thanking for throwing a bucket of cash at Joey, persuading him to come back. Charlie's giving the fans what they want: He's writing thrashier songs, and he brought back Joey despite the prospect of Scott leaving. Doesn't Charlie write most the riffs? He will always trump Scott.

All very true, three cheers for Charlie and Joey!

Was Scott almost leaving???