"I call it "lounge" metal! Porcupine Tree does this kind of thing much better these days, IMO" - thats kinda what my point has been this whole time, thanks for someone agreeing with me. and for me this isn't enjoyable or takes a remarkable amount of talent, its more doing it for the enjoyment of it for the creator. they make a landscape that is a form of expression.
"To the kid who said something about daney carey doing the same beats and not being talented..you don't know shit. as a drummer he's fucking insane and thats all there is to it." - actually i DO know what i'm talking about. everyone in tool has little talent. is this a bad thing? no not really. together they are a good band. lately they've been lacking on the songwriting end, but they can still put out a few enjoyable songs. in fact the drummer in my band who is a really big tool fan, more so than i am, is the one that pointed all this out to me. he said the album was a big disappointment. but then again i knew most of this stuff, just wasn't noticing it. tool does a lot of time changes in their music and other stuff that prog elitests would think mean you have talent. unfortunately i don't know about that. most of what i write involves many time changes and i play them just fine. its a flow of time and the feel of the music.
also i don't think tool and nevermore are THAT different. they both have progressive elements to them and they both have thrash roots. BUT thats where tool started, they have now drifted towards experimental and ""lounge" metal". nothing wrong with this for those who like this sort of stuff, i don't really. i like to hear music. also another friend whose a big tool fan said similar thoughts as mine.
and honestly, the first time i listened to it, i loved it. after the 2nd listen, i realized how little music there was on it. after the third i started realizing the rehashes of older songs. all this crap degrades the music. the only way i could somewhat enjoy this album is if it were background music and played as a full album. thats not how i listen to my music. i like it in the foreground and in random song order.
oh and SSJ4SephirothX: dream theater "sold out". their latest record was geared to a pop audience before that it was more towards a nu-metal crowd. they just take a genre and put their own spin on it. nothing really 'wrong' with this, but i feel less and less they are listening to themselves and more to producers and record label executives. the album before that (that degrees album) they ripped off tool a good amount. of course that album also had some good songs, but not on the level of their older stuff... you know where they ripped off rush. but hey, thats what its about ripping off other artists and turning it into your own enough so you don't run into copyright problems and hope people will like you. also the singer is over rated. i didn't really realize it til i went to guitar center and opened up a transcription of his vocal line. it was mostly one note lol.
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