What are BLACK METAL and DEATH METAL in true essence?

[frost_giant]

It has recently struck me that I am badly familiar with Death and Black Metal genres in their usual form. I listen to a lot of mixed stuff, like Blackened Death Metal and so on, and also Black Metal resembling Thrash more than Black, and in addition, Death Metal leaning towards the Progressive borders(Necrophagist, Death etc.).

I'd like someone to offer a few albums that are considered masterpieces of their respective genres, show the pinnacle of the genre and also contain some historical importance.

I have realized that by listening to proggier things I am slowly losing the knowledge of what is 'real' Black and Death Metal, and I am sure that I have missed a lot of classics.

 

[Personified Hatred]

I'll go only with Black Metal because I don't know Death.

Darkthrone - Transilvanian Hunger
Mayhem - De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas
Bathory - The Return

 

[ALK]

Death
Darkthrone - Soulside Journey
Death - eh at least one of their albums

Black
Ulver - Nattens maderigal
Darkthrone - A Blaze in the Northern Sky
Immortal - Sons of Nothern Darkness

 

[metal_wrath]

If you want to uncover the true essence of Black and Death metal, you will need to dismiss all your perceptions of life. First, walk through a dark forest past a cemetary and up the highest mountain, you will be halfway done in your journey. Then you will have to forget all earthly possessions and jump off the mountain. Do NOT hesitate or you will lose all true enlightenment. After that you are on your own my friend. Oh yeah and Darkthrone are NOT death metal, and Death are TRUE pioneers of DEATH METAL, also Possessed.

 

[ALK]

If you want to uncover the true essence of Black and Death metal, you will need to dismiss all your perceptions of life. First, walk through a dark forest past a cemetary and up the highest mountain, you will be halfway done in your journey. Then you will have to forget all earthly possessions and jump off the mountain. Do NOT hesitate or you will lose all true enlightenment. After that you are on your own my friend. Oh yeah and Darkthrone are NOT death metal, and Death are TRUE pioneers of DEATH METAL, also Possessed.

WRONG! First two recorded Darkthrone albums is pr. definition technical death metal these being Soulside Journey and Goatlord (the later released far later due to a dispute with the record lable concerning gener and various other things

 

[metal_wrath]

WRONG! First two recorded Darkthrone albums is pr. definition technical death metal these being Soulside Journey and Goatlord (the later released far later due to a dispute with the record lable concerning gener and various other things

Yeah, forgot about that, but that doesn't make them death metal, or make my post less funny,

 

[cookiecutter]

Suffocation - Effigy of the Forgotten

 

[immo]

Mayhem - DMDS
Immortal - At The Heart of Winter or Pure Holocaust
Graveland - Following the Voice of Blood
Lord Belial - Enter the Moonlight Gate
Bathory - Under the Sign... and Blood Fire Death
Samael - Worship Him and Blood Ritual

 

[metal_wrath]

Black Metal formed when regular Heavy Metal got the Black Plague, then Heavy Metal died a Thrashing Brutal Death and all Hell broke loose, BTW you can't kill something that is already Death.

 

[ALK]

Yeah, forgot about that, but that doesn't make them death metal, or make my post less funny,

technicaly it does but anyho quite a nice pun

 

[CAIRATH]

Immortal - Sons of Nothern Darkness

If we're talking about the "true essence" of black metal I think Pure Holocaust would be a better example of Immortal. Their later stuff was more blackened thrash (though equally enjoyable).

And don't pay attention to metal_wrath, he is a moron who knows very little about metal but pretends to know a lot and also makes a lot of lame jokes. Another winner for this forum.

 

[unknown]

Burzum - Hvis Lyset Tar Oss

 

[metal_wrath]

If we're talking about the "true essence" of death metal I think Pure Holocaust would be a better example of Immortal. Their later stuff was more blackened thrash (though equally enjoyable).

And don't pay attention to me, i am a moron who knows very little about metal but pretends to know a lot and also makes a lot of lame jokes. Another loser for this forum.

Sorry but the Opeth forum are purveyors of lame jokes and overall bad taste.

 

[CAIRATH]

You know nothing of good taste. Shut the fuck up.

 

[metal_wrath]

You know nothing of good taste. Shut the fuck up.

You listen to Coldplay. Period.

 

[CAIRATH]

I don't have a signature.

 

[Thoth-Amon]

Death
Darkthrone - Soulside Journey
Death - eh at least one of their albums

Black
Ulver - Nattens maderigal
Darkthrone - A Blaze in the Northern Sky
Immortal - Sons of Nothern Darkness

Please. Darkthrone DO NOT define death metal. They may have made a couple of death metal albums but they are not even remotely important in the overral picture of the genre. Try Morbid Angel.

 

[frost_giant]

Which Morbid Angel album defines DM the most?

thx guys.

 

[Thoth-Amon]

Which Morbid Angel album defines DM the most?

thx guys.

The first three: Altars of Madness, Blessed are the Sick and Covenant.

 

[Dän]

A question then: Bands such as Burzum, Darkthrone, Mayhem, Immortal, Satyricon; are they classed as Black metal or death metal...and, i know tihs is hard to answer, but why would they be classed as one or the other?