"you just don't understand"

[Teh Grimace]

Ravi Shankar (...) Al DiMeola or Mahavishnu Orchestra

all great, all generic. less generic than, say, U2, but still public domain artists for sure.

do you like anything that i haven't heard of.

old school Prince is some of the best funk-pop ever. Hell even Miles loved Prince. In fact he had him write some music for him.

prince's first album some sort of weird funk-ish pop rock thing, and it was half decent. the rest of the 80s was really nothing, and i haven't heard much he did past the early 90s because i didn't assume it gets better.

i'm sure miles didn't really give a fuck about Prince.

that's about like Bob Dylan touring with some douche like John Mayer... he prolly didn't really know who the fuck he was because he was nobody in comparison, but the kids dig him, so why not take advantage.

 

[Thoth-Amon]

all great, all generic. less generic than, say, U2, but still public domain artists for sure.

do you like anything that i haven't heard of.

-Does it matter if you haven't heard it before? What about Wajahat Khan? An excellent sarod player. Furthermore whether or not these artists are generic or not is NOT the point. You have derailed the topic. I originally stated that I am able to tell good music aside from how technical it may or may not be. You said "give me some examples", etc. I gave you some. Then you start criticizing them because they are generic. That may be true or it may not be... that is not the point. The point is whether they are good or not. And to some extent you yourself have admitted that they are.

prince's first album some sort of weird funk-ish pop rock thing, and it was half decent. the rest of the 80s was really nothing, and i haven't heard much he did past the early 90s because i didn't assume it gets better.

i'm sure miles didn't really give a fuck about Prince.

-Yes Prince's first album was weirdish and is not one of his better discs. The rest of his 80's material is excellent with Dirty Mind being one of the greatest funk albums ever released and Purple Reign being an excellent pop release. And yes Miles did love Prince's music. It's right there in his autobiography. I would assume that one who claims to "know Miles" would have read his autobiography and be aware of the musicians who inspired him and whom he admired.

that's about like Bob Dylan touring with some douche like John Mayer... he prolly didn't really know who the fuck he was because he was nobody in comparison, but the kids dig him, so why not take advantage.

-No. Read the book.

 

[Teh Grimace]

-Does it matter if you haven't heard it before

so the answer is no, you don't listen to anything that isn't generic, then?

so far you apparantely know about a bunch of shit my mom likes, miles davis who most everyone knows, and a couple of the biggest names in middle eastern music.

anything contemporary?

what metal bands do you like?


oh, i have yet to ask this...

are you like 15? cause if you are, then you're not that bad off. otherwise, the music appreciation section of your brain is underdeveloped.

edit: wait... you said you went to college. oops. forgot.

edit#2: was that mean? hmmm...

You have derailed the topic.

there is no topic. the topic is whatever the fuck we are talking about at the moment. get with the program.

 

[Thoth-Amon]

so the answer is no, you don't listen to anything that isn't generic, then?

so far you apparantely know about a bunch of shit my mom likes, miles davis who most everyone knows, and a couple of the biggest names in middle eastern music.

anything contemporary?

what metal bands do you like?

-Priest, Maiden , Slayer, Sabbath, Morbid Angel, Darkthrone, Emperor, Cannibal Corpse, Type O, etc.

oh, i have yet to ask this...

are you like 15? cause if you are, then you're not that bad off. otherwise, the music appreciation section of your brain is underdeveloped.


-Obviously not if I have a degree... unless I'm a friggin' genius and graduated way early. And just because I may not be scouring the underground for the coolest stuff nobody's every heard does not mean my tastes are underdeveloped. I find this statement ironic from one who gave a shitty ass metalcore album such undeserved praise.

there is no topic. the topic is whatever the fuck we are talking about at the moment. get with the program.

-In other words I've shown you were wrong and you can't answer me. Thanks.

 

[Teh Grimace]

-Priest, Maiden , Slayer, Sabbath, Morbid Angel, Darkthrone, Emperor, Cannibal Corpse, Type O, etc.

so you basically listen to the Neil Diamonds and Elton Johns of metal, huh.

good for you.

And just because I may not be scouring the underground for the coolest stuff nobody's every heard does not mean my tastes are underdeveloped.

you're pretty obviously one of those people who thinks that "underground" music is just like "mainstream" music but with worse production. you've never heard how really astonishing music can be, so you can't imagine it can get any better than Bruce Springsteen or Slayer or whatever. you enjoy about 10 different kinds of sounds, and you listen to those 10 and you're happy.

you plainly state here that you don't know about music, not like someone who cares knows music. you just know the standards.

so why are you arguing with me?

-In other words I've shown you were wrong and you can't answer me.

i was just responding to your apparant perception that we are discussing a single item of note here. i'm pretty much going point by point.

this is GMD, not a debate meet.

get with the program.

 

[Thoth-Amon]

so you basically listen to the Neil Diamonds and Elton Johns of metal, huh.

good for you.

- You are such a retard. There's a reason why these groups are so highly regarded... they are GOOD. I don't need to buy every obscure underground band out that to make myself feel cool or better than others.

you're pretty obviously one of those people who thinks that "underground" music is just like "mainstream" music but with worse production. you've never heard how really astonishing music can be, so you can't imagine it can get any better than Bruce Springsteen or Slayer or whatever. you enjoy about 10 different kinds of sounds, and you listen to those 10 and you're happy.

you plainly state here that you don't know about music, not like someone who cares knows music. you just know the standards.

so why are you arguing with me?

-Again... Yeah I don't care about music that's why I wasted all that time studying it. Yeah I know nothing about incredible music like Mahler, Ravel, Ligeti, Bartok, Stravinksy, Part, etc. I just can't possibly imagine anything better than Sprinsteen or Slayer... it's too much for my feeble mind! ARGHGH! It's hurting my head! Quick give me some mind-numbing metalcore so I can't think anymore... ah that's better.


i was just responding to your apparant perception that we are discussing a single item of note here. i'm pretty much going point by point.

this is GMD, not a debate meet.

get with the program.

-Again, you have no answer to my previous point.

 

[Thoth-Amon]

One final comment:
I really can't take anyone seriously who chastises my tastes in metal or music in general who thinks that 7 Angels, 7 Plagues is the greatest thing to happen to metal since distortion but then makes absurd comments like this:

"king diamond is a ridiculous old faggot. he's the heavy music equivalent of broadway showtunes.

listen to something with soul you lame fucks".

I would assume that anyone who understands metal would know how monumental and excellent Mercyful Fate and King Diamond's music is for the genre.
Good night.

 

[Teh Grimace]

There's a reason why these groups are so highly regarded... they are GOOD.

yeah, that's the explanation.

you totally get it, dude.

Yeah I know nothing about incredible music like (etc.)

orchestral music is so outdated and irrelevant, it's not worth discussing from any perspective but one of pure compositional critique.

anybody who thinks pre-20th century, pre-recorded music was just infinitely superior to everything new because of teh compleks skaylz is completely ignorant to the state of modern music & needs to buy a clue.

Again, you have no answer to my previous point.

wat point.

 

[Thoth-Amon]

yeah, that's the explanation.

you totally get it, dude.

-So in other words... if people like it it can't be good. You have to scour the cd bins for the most underground shit... cause only that's good and hey it makes me feel superior to others.


orchestral music is so outdated and irrelevant, it's not worth discussing from any perspective but one of pure compositional critique.

anybody who thinks pre-20th century, pre-recorded music was just infinitely superior to everything new because of teh compleks skaylz is completely ignorant to the state of modern music & needs to buy a clue.

-HAHAHAHAHA! This is the most RETARDED thing you've said yet! I'm sorry but it is you who have just shown that you know little to nothing about music. Notice I didn't say Ligeti, et al were great because they were complex, but because they were excellent. True many of them were VERY complex and much more sophisticated then most music but that in and of itself does not make it great. Part's music for example is very simple but is amazing. Throughly profound and beautiful stuff.

wat point.

-Sigh. The one I had made earlier.

 

[Teh Grimace]

"king diamond is a ridiculous old faggot. he's the heavy music equivalent of broadway showtunes."

i say again...

KING DIAMOND IS A RIDICULOUS OLD FAGGOT. HE'S THE HEAVY MUSIC EQUIVALENT OF BROADWAY SHOWTUNES SO FUCK HIM AND FUCK HIS TERRIBLE FACIAL HAIR AND FUCK HIS FAILURE OF A VOICE.

both king diamond and, to an extent, mercyful fate were, even back in the 80s, still totally generic in every aspect but the IMAGE. musically they were a decade behind the cutting edge, nothing even remotely revolutionary.

so, um, yeah.

 

[Thoth-Amon]

i say again...

KING DIAMOND IS A RIDICULOUS OLD FAGGOT. HE'S THE HEAVY MUSIC EQUIVALENT OF BROADWAY SHOWTUNES SO FUCK HIM AND FUCK HIS TERRIBLE FACIAL HAIR AND FUCK HIS FAILURE OF A VOICE.

both king diamond and, to an extent, mercyful fate were, even back in the 80s, still totally generic in every aspect but the IMAGE. musically they were a decade behind the cutting edge, nothing even remotely revolutionary.

so, um, yeah.

So you admit... you don't like metal. Thanks.

 

[Teh Grimace]

-So in other words... if people like it it can't be good.

it can be, but it's usually not.

I'm sorry but it is you who have just shown that you know little to nothing about music.

i've made a case for why i feel you are ignorant as to the greater state of music. you've offered me nothing but one line contradictions. explain yourself.

 

[King Richard]

i say again...

KING DIAMOND IS A RIDICULOUS OLD FAGGOT. HE'S THE HEAVY MUSIC EQUIVALENT OF BROADWAY SHOWTUNES SO FUCK HIM AND FUCK HIS TERRIBLE FACIAL HAIR AND FUCK HIS FAILURE OF A VOICE.

both king diamond and, to an extent, mercyful fate were, even back in the 80s, still totally generic in every aspect but the IMAGE. musically they were a decade behind the cutting edge, nothing even remotely revolutionary.

so, um, yeah.

 

[Teh Grimace]

no kids in the pool, plz. go play somewhere else.

 

[King Richard]

 

[Teh Grimace]

you're so cool amaranus.

 

[Thoth-Amon]

it can be, but it's usually not.

-Actually you are pretty much correct here.

i've made a case for why i feel you are ignorant as to the greater state of music. you've offered me nothing but one line contradictions. explain yourself

-I may not know as many obscure or underground bands as you do but that does not mean I don't care about music or don't understand good music when I hear it. You saying that pre-20th century music is irrelevant is the most naive and utterly immature thing I've heard you say thus far (and by the way most of the composers I listed were 20th century). The western classical tradition is great not merely because it is technically advanced (though much of it is and this is often a part of its greatness but not all) but because of its emotional depth. Let's look at some examples of what I'm talking about. Paganini was a good composer and an amazing violinist. He wrote some good pieces but on the whole was not a great composer? Why? Because his music focus' to much on being virtuosic that it often ends up being shallow. Now let's look at a composer like Arvo Part. While most of his music is VERY simple and not at all virtuosic he is a greater composer than Paganini because his music is so often profound.
Now there are certainly many great groups and musicians outside of the classical tradtion, some even come close in terms of making outstanding music. But none have been able to meet or exceed the beauty and musical excellence of say Mahler's 9th or Wagner's Ring Cycle. So for you to just dismiss the entire classical tradition as irrelevant is so utterly ignorant that it invalidates all of your criticisms of my taste and reveals that it is you who have not developed your tastes in music.

 

[King Richard]

you're so cool amaranus.

 

[Mr_Haze]

this forum needs a zzz emoticon





(this post directed @ Amarantus not the discussion)

 

[King Richard]

meh what can you do

Teh Dumbass just won't get a fucking clue that no one cares what he says.