Thoth-Amon
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- Apr 4, 2006
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Thoth-Amon said:Now there are certainly many great groups and musicians outside of the classical tradtion, some even come close in terms of making outstanding music. But none have been able to meet or exceed the beauty and musical excellence of say Mahler's 9th or Wagner's Ring Cycle.
Amarantus said:no one cares what he says.
Teh Grimarse said:i say again...
KING DIAMOND IS A RIDICULOUS OLD FAGGOT. HE'S THE HEAVY MUSIC EQUIVALENT OF BROADWAY SHOWTUNES SO FUCK HIM AND FUCK HIS TERRIBLE FACIAL HAIR AND FUCK HIS FAILURE OF A VOICE.
both king diamond and, to an extent, mercyful fate were, even back in the 80s, still totally generic in every aspect but the IMAGE. musically they were a decade behind the cutting edge, nothing even remotely revolutionary.
so, um, yeah.
Teh Grimarse said:you are entitled to think that Wagner is the best thing ever.
my point in this particular case was that orchestral/symphonic music no longer can be considered a "cutting edge" artform in almost any way due partially to several hundred years of previous innovation but mainly because of several hundred years of overexposure, and so it has therefore been invalidated as a current art form. "art" must be new and different. that is my qualifier for it being "art" and not just "entertainment". if it does not challenge any standards, if it is just immitation of something popular that was created for no purpose other than to achieve the same level of popularity as what it is immitating, then it is just "entertainment" and therefore IRRELEVANT TO THE CURRENT STATE OF ART.
i can't remember where i was going with this.
i need either sleep or more drugs.
Teh Grimarse said:i would also like to add that i've been doing this for like 8 pages now and i'm an idiot for arguing with idiots. i really should know better.
i guess i'm done now.
peace and love to all, now go listen to Jeff Buckley.
Amarantus said:Go spout your ignorance somewhere else. Until you compose something as great as what MF/KD have done and prove you can even fathom the amount of talent they have, is the day I will accept your opinion.
Now shut the fuck up.
Thoth-Amon said:And yes I admit there is much music in various styles (including metal) that I should hear but have not. So yeah in a sense I need to broaden my horizons.
Teh Grimarse said:that's all i wanted you to say.
was that so hard mate?
Thoth-Amon said:WTF?! You like crap like metalcore but also like good stuff like Miles?
Teh Grimarse said:remember this...
you started it.
with your judgemental little fucking opinions...
Thoth-Amon said:I was judgmental because well it sounds bad while Miles sounds good.
Zhou Tai 04 said:Generally speaking, just listen to what you like and don't harp on other people for having an opinion you don't agree with. It's pretty immature.
Teh Grimarse said:thats why i said "to an extent" when referring to MF.
i'll give that they were somewhat more "progressive" than similar bands of similar popularity at the time, but at their core they were still Priest worship (maybe worship is strong, but...), and at their best they weren't as innovative as more than a few NWOBHM bands that preceeded them.
so pfft.