A Few Thoughts On the NVR vs. IE Thread

Thanks for opening my eyes, Trapped, to the fact that all the stuff I like is bad! Now that you've proved that Iced Earth sucks, I guess I'll auction all my CDs on E-bay and listen to nothing but thrash-prog. After all, a guy I don't know on a message board said liking Iced Earth makes me an idiot, so he must be right.

Well, I can't say I didn't know what I was getting into when I posted a message on the Nevermore board that disagreed with popular opinion. This is why there's no delete button here - you guys make sure than anybody who thinks something different than you feels like an idiot for doing so. Isn't the metal community supposed to be an open-minded, cool place where outcasts can come together? That's what I always thought, but maybe it's only because my experience has been with the Iced Earth board where that Nazi Neil rules with an iron fist.

I don't want to dissect your message, because that would take a LOT of time, and I have other things to do than post on a board where all I'll get it "You should be killed because you don't think the way I do." But for the record:

A) I play drums. I know many drummers who think that Lars is good. Professional drummers. Studio drummers. Drum teachers. Take it up with them.

B) Saying that Barlow can't go deep is fairly ridiculous, but i'm not going to insult you for it. Just listen to "Alive In Athens."

C) I will admit that Nevermore probably does have better lyrics...I engineered that to give IE an extra point. Then, after posting it, I realized "Hey, wait a minute! How can you apply quantitative analysis to a discussion about the quality of bands?"

D) I like music because I enjoy listening to it. Prog musicians, for instance, display amazing talent...but it's BORING. I want songs I can get into; and part of musical talent is knowing how to play stuff that people ENJOY.

E) If I want to dream, I'll sleep and have dreams of a metal community that actually lives up to our reputation of open-mindedness.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to nip off and shoot myself to save Trapped the trouble. Happy Thanksgiving.

-Holding out the vain hope that this post won't be replied to with more flaming...I'm feeling optimistic today,
Pyrus
 
Trapped never said that you were an idiot for liking IE, I'm pretty sure he likes IE. He said you were an idiot to think that IE are more talented than Nevermore. Personally, I think you are just an idiot. You want to talk about judging people, well you should know, because that is what you do best. Everyone here is open-minded. You brag about your little board, well how come all I see there is praise about how great IE are. Don't you ever criticize? That's what keeps a band in check. Nevermore has been criticized many times here, and it is because the people here care about the band. They want Nevermore to keep putting out great albums and if Nevermore do something that they don't like, they will talk about it. The attitude on this board is great. Everyone gets along great, and there is a lot of laughing (a lot). And it's because wendy lets a lot of things go. She doesn't delete everything that she feels is inappropriate (I'm sure there is plenty of it). And you won't disect his message because you can't respond to it.
A) Lars is not great. He may can do somethings but when compared to other dummers, he is just average.
B) I agree that Barlow can get deep and he sounds great on AiA, but Trapped is right, he does lose control time to time.
C) Yeah, Nevermore does have better lyrics. They are far more poetic than IE.
D) Prog is not boring. Given, a lot do show off, but have you heard Symphony X. Far far far from boring.
E) Which wouldn't be the IE board. Read all of the post here. Look at the diversty in music that people listen to.
Good. I'll supply the gun if you don't have on.
-Holding out the vain hope that Pyrus can take his head out of his ass, and hand out of jon's.
 
There's some pretty diverse stuff at the IE board, but the music's got nothing to do with it...I'm talking about personal stuff. And for the record, people DO criticize IE on the board - check the archives, espeically the stuff about the new album. It's just that if they don't have something bad to say, they don't say it.

I'm not that into Symphony X. They're good, but I prefer thrashier stuff.

Quick question - are the Ultimate Metal forums free, or do the bands pay for them? Just wondering.
 
Everyone here is open-minded personally too. I don't understand how you can not see that. And I'm glad to hear that you do criticize, but I don't have time to go through the archives as I have a 56k connection.
 
Thanks for opening my eyes, Trapped, to the fact that all the stuff I like is bad! Now that you've proved that Iced Earth sucks, I guess I'll auction all my CDs on E-bay and listen to nothing but thrash-prog. After all, a guy I don't know on a message board said liking Iced Earth makes me an idiot, so he must be right.
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Dude, YOU'RE the one who came into our home preaching about how Iced Earth is the better band, and i proved you wrong. Don't get upset and cry about it, why not respond in a mature way, like you asked of everyone else eh?

Well, I can't say I didn't know what I was getting into when I posted a message on the Nevermore board that disagreed with popular opinion. This is why there's no delete button here - you guys make sure than anybody who thinks something different than you feels like an idiot for doing so. Isn't the metal community supposed to be an open-minded, cool place where outcasts can come together? That's what I always thought, but maybe it's only because my experience has been with the Iced Earth board where that Nazi Neil rules with an iron fist.
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Click the edit button dude, and you can delete everything you want. If you do so, you're a twat, because you're just admitting you made a stupid post... I didn't call you an idiot at all, i said you had no idea what you are talking about, especially when it comes to guitarwork... and that's not an insult, that's a fact dude. Don't take in to heart, take it like a man, and put something else to the table, some more ideas, a few more opinions. Don't come here and shout your opinions at me, and then whinge when i do the same back at you. Your post was all about your personal opinion, and that's cool, i simply posted the facts about the musicians in the bands, plus added my personal spin on it... i wasn't trying to make you feel like an idiot...

"A) I play drums. I know many drummers who think that Lars is good. Professional drummers. Studio drummers. Drum teachers. Take it up with them. "

Lars isn't a good drummer at all. THe "Studio drummers" obviously don't play metal, they play pop and rock, in which lars is a good drummer, but when it comes to metal, and drummers like Gene Hoglan.... you've got no idea.

"B) Saying that Barlow can't go deep is fairly ridiculous, but i'm not going to insult you for it. Just listen to "Alive In Athens." "

It's not rediculous at all dude... he can't sing low without losing control. Yes, he hit's the low notes, but he loses it, his voice breaks, and he warbles in and out of key. YOU listen to alive in athens for yourself and hear it dude...

"C) I will admit that Nevermore probably does have better lyrics...I engineered that to give IE an extra point. Then, after posting it, I realized "Hey, wait a minute! How can you apply quantitative analysis to a discussion about the quality of bands?"

It can apply quantitative analysis to a discussion about a quality of a band, because the lyrics are a big part of the bands, they aren't just a "Added touch", for a band like nevermore, the lyrics ARE a part of the music, and are worth analyzing... IE on the other hand, the lyrics are there just to take up space...

"D) I like music because I enjoy listening to it. Prog musicians, for instance, display amazing talent...but it's BORING. I want songs I can get into; and part of musical talent is knowing how to play stuff that people ENJOY. "

You are saying that 42147 and The Learning are boring? Dude, what are you even doing here on this message board? Would you say that Death's - Flesh and the power it holds is boring? Hell, that's a big statement to make, and a ridiculous one at that... There is catchy and memorable tech metal too dude, what about Cynic's Uroboric Forms, Atheist's Mineral or Elements, Symphony X's Fallen, or Egypt... Or Dream Theater's THe Mirror?

"E) If I want to dream, I'll sleep and have dreams of a metal community that actually lives up to our reputation of open-mindedness. "

Good to see you dream about what you might one day be. You totally shun progressive and tech metal, and that's totally closed minded, especially from an iced earth fan that can't see past the fact that there are better bands and better musicians out there.

You don't know us at all... I'm not closed minded at all, both me and ledmag, and i'm sure others are into stuff like Danzig and simple rock stuff too, you're barking up the wrong tree dude, go out and get some experience within the metal world, give some different music a listen and a chance, and you might find something you actually like...

I reccomend you read Lord of Metal's post too, it's great stuff. Some good points...

damn good, trapped! now what was that bit in the beginning about you leaving?
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Yeah, it's true. I've already left the Opeth board permanently, I'm still posting here and reading PM's etc, but only a few times a week, i've got some stuff to sort out over here, and when everythings okay again, i'll come back... and post a pic of myself :D

Trapped, don't leave us, where else am I gonna learn about obscure technical death metal bands when you're gone?
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Ha ha, i'm not leaving permanently, i've just gotta get my life in order, a job, a place to live... some food in the cupboards etc... on another note, i check out the "other" alchemist, the dude over your way, it's surprisingly good stuff... i like it! It's like ITP era death :)

And by the way, just if anyone is wondering, i do like Iced Earth. In fact, they're playing right now. I just don't see how you can say that Jon is a better rhythm player than Jeff, or Barlow is a better singer the Mr. Dane...

np - Iced Earth - Travel in stygian

.. and another thing, my post wasn't THAT huge, it's just because i wanted to quote everything the dude said, i wanted to have a say about everything he said...
 
:puke: I just looked at the Iced Earth forum, & it's just like the old Nevermore board. God, I hated that board! (the layout, not the actual content. :lol: )

After reading Trapped's first post, I must say that I actually feel smarter now. :) That is what is called an actual "argument". Not worthless flaming, & half-thought opinions being thrown around. :worship: :headbang:

Nevermore...
 
I don't recall sayign that "The Learning" was boring...I wouldn't call that prog, and it's my favorite song from PoE anyway. And the reason I came to this board "preaching" is because there was a thread about it. I offered my opinion, and made the mistake of starting a new thread for it.

It's hard to say "FACT: X is better than X." For all we know, that cunt from Blink-182 could be the world's best guitarist - he just chooses not to play anything but the same 3 or 4 chords. I'm just saying that, judging from the Nevermore I've heard (all but In Memory) and Iced Earth I've heard (all but the Melancholy EP), Jon Schaffer appears to display more talent.

I don't have Cynic or any of the other albums you've mentioned - I'm a 16-year old on a limited budget, and my "to buy" list is already huge. But I'll put Focus on there, as Hanukkah starts tomorrow.

It's not closed-minded to dislike seomthing if you've heard it - it's opinionated. I've heard a lot of Symphony X, Dream Theater, and some random prog mix my friend made, and I'm not really into any of them. I'm under the impression that these bands are good examples of the prog genre.

Never heard Danzig. I'm mostly a thrash fan (Testament, Exodus, the big four), and of course the classics (Priest/Maiden/Sabbath/etc.)

I can say Matt is a better singer than Mr. Dane like this:

"I think Matt Barlow is a better singer than Warrel Dane."

That's all. I'm going to go eat lunch now...gonna be so fucking sick of turkey by Monday.

-Reminder to self: don't take replies seriously,
Pyrus
 
imgoing to go get some weed,,,,then im coming back pyrus you fuck ass.

In the mean fucking time, you should shut your pie hole, and re read the never vs IE trhead, at least teh 1st couple of pages.

Youll see that i actually borrowed the topic from the guitar world forum, cause i thought it was funny. You will also see that i asked for oipinions, and not flames, when i got flames, i flamed back. As far as your petty fucking IE board goes.....and this board, you must be a stupid fucking retard mongo asshole baby. Cause dude, i stopped by your little poser hole in the wall last night, and its overflowing with imature idiots. The differenc that makes them idiots and us not is: we are mostly full of shit, adn are out for a good time. SO the best thing you can do other than shuting your pie hole, and other than ripping your head out of your arse, and as LOM said your hand out of jons, the best thing you can do is just post around this place for a while, and then we shall see how we all get along.

Ill probably get the bizz going and then flame your ass when i get back.
 
Pyrus, I really can't respond to that because, well, I already have. But, sure, the guitarist from Blink 182 could be the best guitarist in the world, but the problem is he doesn't display that talent in his music, so it doesn't matter because no one would know that he is the most talented guitarist in the world. If you listen to Iced Earth and Nevermore, then you can tell that Nevermore displays more talent. I'm not saying that one is any better than the other, I am just saying that one is more talented than the other. It's up to a person to decide who is better, but talent is displayed by, well, talent. No other way to put it. That's really all I have to say. I think.
 
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