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Originally posted by Board
You're entitled to your opinion like everyone else, but I think you're quite wrong there. Whether you like his music or not is not important here. Personally I don't like his solo work, but I think Beatles has done some great stuff, but that's not important here either. What's important is his work. His companionship with Paul McCartney in the Beatles has produced some of the best songs ever written (not my opinon!). In the 60's The Beatles was the best selling band and they're to this date the best selling band of all time. Not that that neccesarilly means it's good, but Beatles still has loads and loads of fans 30 years after they broke up! People are still fanatic (even more fanatic than they were in the 60's) about their stuff. I've seen their record "Please please me" with the black label and gold lettering go for £6.600!!!! Noone would pay that amount for anything crappy!
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Yes they would. It's got nothing to do with its quality, it's to do with collectibility. If it's rare, old and in good condition, it's valuable. Mint-condition embossed vinyl sleeves are especially sought after these days.
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It's of course a matter of taste, but I think it's fair to say that Beatles are the single band/artist who produced the music with the most quality EVER! If a band comes out now and sells twice as many records as The Beatles, the Beatles will still be the greatest! The new band will be forgotten in 20 years like most of all the other stuff from the 90's and 2000's.
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Can I borrow that crystal ball you've obviously found?
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You can go out on the street today and ask more or less any person to sing a Beatles song. In 20 years you can't do that with Britney Spears!
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It's the same with the Village People, though, isn't it? Who doesn't know "YMCA" at the very least?
Originally posted by SlayerizedCorpse
y does everyone hate cof and dimmu borgir, they write better shit and are more sucessful then u every can and will
Originally posted by Board
1+2: Sure, Mint condition records are of course rare and pricy today, but noone today is willing to pay £6.600 for Madonna's "Like a prayer" in mint condition. Let's see if people are willing to pay £6.600 for a Britney Spears record in 20 years! I doubt it. There's probably some big artists from the 80's that made an embossed cover which is more or less worthless in mint condition today. My point is; Beatles still have loads and loads of fans although they broke up 32 years ago. Britney will of course still have fans in 20 years, but compared to the amount of fans she has now it's a minimum of people. Beatles have loads of fans today compared to the amount of fans they had in the 60's. Beatles music still interest people these days, but I find it hard to believe that much of the music put out in the 90's will interest people in 20 years (I'm not talking about metal here). I think it's pretty wrong saying Beatles are overrated or they just got famous for growing their hair long, as they're one of the most influentual bands of all time! Whether you like them or not is another matter.
3: Yep, everybody knows "YMCA", but how many people can say that they truly like that song today and they listen to it regularly? A lot of that old disco has become kind of kitchy today, but that's just kind of a fashing thing and it's only fun when at a party or something. I'm not trying to say what people's taste should be like, but although I have a fair amount of disco records, disco was kind of low quality. It had it's moments with some funky stuff and danceable stuff, but it gets boring listening to it after a while. This is of course also a matter of taste, but that's just my experience. There will always be fans of all kinds of music, but I think Beatles popularity is well deserved, as they produced kind of "timeless" music. Britney's music is fun for a lot of people today, but will only be fun for a small amount of people in 20 years.
I don't know what else to say, but I'll gladly continue the discussion as I think it's interesting discussing things like these.
Originally posted by Flaming Death
I noticed a few said TOOL. i accept your Opinion but i just wanted to say i think they are a great band and they are very talented. cool
Originally posted by Nick Inch Nails
YES!!! Tool are one of my favorite bands at the moment. It seems that some people just dont get them at all. Thats ok you can like whatever you want but dont think they are crap because you cant understand/fathom/getinto/appreciate them.
Originally posted by SlayerizedCorpse
Timmeth & HarmonyDies.... are fukin retarded cradle of filth and dimmu borgir fuking rule you homosexual mom
if you would like me to give reasons CoF suck, i could.
Originally posted by lord667
It's not so much The Beatles I have issues with, just John Lennon. IMHO, he does not deserve a quarter of the veneration regularly directed at him. Nothing I have seen or heard of John Lennon has made me rate him as anything more than a leftover hippie and a Dead Rock Star. Take "Imagine" for example. Try to listen to it in the here and now, without Vietnam and Yoko Ono and without all the hype and bullshit heaped upon the bloody thing. If you're anything like me, the first time you hear it clearly, you'll hear a song that's actually pretty rubbish. And suddenly you realise that the same is true of ALL his post-Beatles back catalogue. Yet, this is supposed to be the foundation of a modern icon.
I don't know. He just rubs me up the wrong way. I mean, given that we're talking about John Lennon and not The Beatles, can you say anything credible in his defence? People have tried, but I'm not convinced.
Originally posted by SculptedCold
I don't hate any bands....I hate very little. Hate is stupid; a word and an emotion thrown around carelessly and ignorantly. Kinda like love.
Bands I dislike;
Disturbed - Way overrated imo. Unoriginal music, utterly laughable lyrics, and an annoying as hell singer who likes to make monkey noises.
Slayer - Way overrated too. I mostly can't stand the vocals (I don't mind old school vox, but Araya is just plain pathetic) but I find the music pretty boring too. (and to hell with the importance arguments, I wouldn't give a shit if they were responsible for the entirety of musical history, I still think their music sucks)
Limp Bizkit - Again, the singer. He is a complete asshole with an unimaginably inflated ego and a really nerve-grating voice.
Soulfly - anyone say 'sellout' ?
Arch Enemy - Who gives a fuck if it's the Amott brothers? Boring vocals before, now the music is just plain banal. Disgustingly overrated. I want to gag reading the way people worship this band, fuck's sake, not to mention all the ripped riffs.
Children Of Bodom - The ripped movie intros really piss me off; get your own tunes to creative good first impressions. Some people actually don't realise it's not your writing.
Glassjaw - Interesting vocals that quickly became irritating in their fakeness, exaggeration and contrived 'emo' factor. Not to mention the immaturely mysoginistic lyrics that fans preach about being so 'intelligent' and 'poetic'. My ass.
Nightwish - Female singer is so deep and operatic it sounds handsomely masculine. Makes me want to baulk.
That's all I can think of right now..
Originally posted by Harp Heaven
"raping young virgins with chainsaws and then eating their vaginas in horrible bloody cellar, while demons molest young boys and stick barb wire up their anuses".
I'm one of those guys that more or less likes all kinds of music. I'm mostly into stuff from before the 80's, but I also like some metal stuff. I think there's a lot of stupid metal and I agree with you that Cannibal Corpse is stupid. I think that if I were to buy a CC record I wouldn't be able to sing along to one single riff on the record after 10 listens. I'm not saying music has to be super catchy that you can sing along the first time you hear it, but I doubt I will like a song after 20 listens if I say "Goddamn, this sucks big time" the first time I listen to it.Originally posted by Harp Heaven
Excellent points put forward by Board. I am a newbie here, but I can already tell you`re somewhat of an oddity in this "if it doesn`t play at 300^pi bpm and has unintelligible vocals, we don`t like it" board.
Maybe it's not neccessary to repeat myself once again, but I think it has to be said that everybody's got different taste! If you don't like Rush, you don't like it. As simple as that. You don't control your own feelings and if you feel that their music is horrible there's nothing you can do about it. I feel that there's no such thing as "good taste" (or bad taste for that matter). A musical ignorant is also a thing that doesn't excist if you ask me. My mom could call me that if I commented on her listening to Bryan Adams, but I could do the same if she comments on me listening to Emperor. As I've said before music is 100% taste and there's no right and wrong.i could list some until tomorow...but who says they cant stand nightwish cause the vocals are completelly ignorent of what is vocal skills. and those who named , zeppelin , rush , dream theater are musical ignorents as well