Black Metal.

[skeptik]

*Venom, if you note the fact that Bathory heavily worshiped Venom.

 

[cookiecutter]

I have Northsuite and I think it's really good. The bullshit that accompanies Velvet Cacoon doesn't really matter to me.

 

[Zephyrus]

*Venom, if you note the fact that Bathory heavily worshiped Venom.

And once you accept Venom in that context, it's easier to include Mercyful Fate as well.

 

[Manic Ferocity]

As did every other band with bands before them. It doesn't mean they're necessarily part of the same genre.

 

[Addo_Of_Nex]

Is Velvet Cacoon serious about their music and is it worth looking into.

Though I'm not sure how serious they are about the music, I think Genevieve is definitely worth listening, regardless of the non-musical aspects of the band.

 

[Life Sucks]

It's like doom metal: Black Sabbath sounds NOTHING like Mourning Beloveth, yet both are considered doom, on preceding the other by decades. The difference obviously being that Black Sabbath were not referred to as doom metal back when they started playing.

 

[Zephyrus]

Kind of ironic how a band not called doom metal back then is called doom now, and a band called black metal back then is no longer so now.

 

[Life Sucks]

Yeah, that's the only difference in the parallel I was trying to draw. I guess Mercyful Fate is black metal, but I think that it would be most accurate to preface it with "first wave." And even then, Mercyful Fate sounds nothing like Bathory.

 

[Manic Ferocity]

It's really not rocket science. Black Sabbath came out before any sub-genres of metal existed so they obviously wouldn't be considered doom metal right off the bat. Venom came out before black metal had an established sound so calling them that nowadays is inaccurate. That's really all there is to it.

 

[Einherjar86]

Primoridal!!!

I've recently been introduced to Borknagar. I've only been able to listen to a few songs, but so far I liked everything I've heard from 'Empiricism.' Are the rest of their records as good, or are some better than others?

 

[Zephyrus]

I've recently been introduced to Borknagar. I've only been able to listen to a few songs, but so far I liked everything I've heard from 'Empiricism.' Are the rest of their records as good, or are some better than others?

Everything up to Empiricism is excellent.

 

[Life Sucks]

Primoridal!!!

I've recently been introduced to Borknagar. I've only been able to listen to a few songs, but so far I liked everything I've heard from 'Empiricism.' Are the rest of their records as good, or are some better than others?

Yes, Primordial is definitely black metal if Mercyful Fate is.

 

[Manic Ferocity]

Are we in agreeance that Enter the Eternal Fire is the greatest black metal song of all time?

 

[Matt]

Everything up to Empiricism is excellent.

And most everything after is as well

 

[skeptik]

Black Metal never has and never will have an "established sound."

 

[Manic Ferocity]

It really isn't hard to recognize the aesthetics of black metal when hearing it. Are the aesthetics not considered an established sound?

 

[skeptik]

Black Metal is not even primarily defined by musical aesthetics, so the idea that there would be an "established sound" of Black Metal music doesn't even make sense.

 

[Manic Ferocity]

Well I'm talking about the music itself.

 

[skeptik]

Well talking about the music itself is misrepresenting the historical lineage of the genre. This has been discussed dozens of times on this board, so I don't know why people still have this problem.

 

[Manic Ferocity]

I'm not denying the historical lineage. I'd just rather discuss the musical qualities of the genre.