Exclusive: DISSECTION Frontman JON NÖDTVEIDT Commits Suicide - Aug. 18, 2006
- Thread starter Erik
- Start date
Lies and Perfidy
Gentleman of the Road
Pardon me if I don't grieve overmuch for a deluded, bigoted, pretentious murderer.
Nice music, though.
Nice music, though.
Reign in Acai
Of Elephant and Man
M.Lehto said:
Who gives a fairy fuck that this man is dead?!? I certainly will not bat an eyelash. Other than cranking out some decent tunes, and killing a faggot, what good has he done for society? Probably not a whole hell of a lot. You fail to recognize how it was that he met his demise. It was by his own hand, not by some accident that would constitute it as a tragedy. And if you yourself are so grief ridden by his death, why don't you realize that maybe this finality was the way he wanted it? Why carry on, if there is nothing left to carry on for?
6 billion people on this planet, and I'm expected to give a shit?!?
MajestikMøøse
Membrum virile
Reign in Acai
Of Elephant and Man
MajestikMøøse said:Oh AWMM, always thinking of and caring about society and never about the individual.
By society, I actually meant..."ME".
Demilich
Remember
One thing I'd like to know, Lehto. Since you are one of these types who immediately casts judgement upon an individual who commits suicide, why make an exception in this case simply because you are familiar with the individual's beliefs? Would you not be quick to jump to a conclusion in the case of just about anyone else, even if you weren't aware of the events, ideals, and circumstances involved?
Reign in Acai
Of Elephant and Man
M.Lehto said:
Good. As it shouldn't.
I'm actually going to retract my previous post, as it was very shortsighted. Who am I to deny the pain of any man? After further reflection, this man's life can be held in much greater esteem than the millions of second hand bottom feeders who live their lives without a single thought to call their own. If this suicide was not done in a state of weakness, but as an empowering statement, as an exclamation point to one's own belief structure, then it should be commended.
R.I.P
Suicide is never something done out of strength. If he was sure he was enlightened from his practice he would have lived to his natural end unless he was 'afraid' of something in life. We all die, he would have been no exception to this. I put afraid in quotes because it may not be explicit fear, it could be impatience, unknowing, longing, boredom, or any number of other things stemming from fear.
Demilich
Remember
KILL TULLY said:
O rly?
Tully, anyone could commit suicide. Not just the weak, the depressed, the confused. Wake up and smell the goddamn coffee.
Reign in Acai
Of Elephant and Man
Demilich said:O rly?
Tully, anyone could commit suicide. Not just the weak, the depressed, the confused. Wake up and smell the goddamn coffee.
Anyone can do anything, what does that have to do with what I was saying? I could take out a gun and blast a puppy in the face as a perfectly happy person. I wouldn't say that I murdered a puppy out of happiness.
Reign in Acai said:
Yes, because if you read the post you would see that it fits the mold. A Samurai was unable to live without his honor, so he would kill himself. This partly stems from fear.
EDIT: Also, I understand it must take some form of strength to actually commit suicide. I'm saying the actually 'backlog' of emotions and feelings that lead up to it are not ones of strength. Also, if somone is forced into suicide in order to protect loved ones or family, I would include that under murder, in my opinion.
Demilich
Remember
The point is that someone could kill themselves right now without any fear or weakness involved. Not wanting to live is only a weakness if you perceive this life as some kind of place that strong people should be or something, which is just fucking absurd. I see what you're getting at, but no.
Demilich said:
No, I think that strong people would not give into the easy route 'out'. Strong people wouldn't abandon family and friends, either.
Also, it would take a very enlightened person to kill themeselves with no emotion or feeling present.
Demilich
Remember
Your whole theory hinges on two very weak premises:
- that killing yourself is plain and simple the easy way out (edit: i should elaborate. it doesn't have to be a "way out" from any particular thing. even if it is an end to the pain of life, why should enduring unecessary suffering for the sake of family and friends be preferable to the alternative?)
- that any emotion or feeling is a weakness
- that killing yourself is plain and simple the easy way out (edit: i should elaborate. it doesn't have to be a "way out" from any particular thing. even if it is an end to the pain of life, why should enduring unecessary suffering for the sake of family and friends be preferable to the alternative?)
- that any emotion or feeling is a weakness
circus_brimstone
Forest: Sold Out
KILL TULLY said:
I wouldn't label suicide - especially the more grisly methods - an "easy route." It'd be tough to kill oneself, I think.
KILL TULLY said:
In the grand scheme of things, though, who's to say those ties should take precedence over one's own will, self-preservation, or in this case, self-termination?
Reign in Acai
Of Elephant and Man
I agree for the most part with Tully in regards to suicide being a weak act. With that being said, one should not show blatant disregard for someone's life, even if they are overwhelmed with indifference. (As was the case several pages ago that led to Lehto getting bent out of shape)
As for the samurai who perform seppuku... out of fear, comes strength.
As for the samurai who perform seppuku... out of fear, comes strength.
KILL TULLY said:
see, I never understood stuff like this. so people that want to kill themselves because they have more important stuff to do in the next life being respected or doing it out of strength. like, it's not like the afterlife is going anywhere so what's the rush to move on to it?
it appears as if it's done out of impatience rather than enlightenment.
p.s. this wasn't directed strictly at tully's post
Demilich
Remember
Whatever, Tully and you lot can feel free to take comfort in your simple, monolithic explanation of a complex, individualistic issue as long as you wish. Doesn't make it any closer to reflecting what actually happens.
Similar threads
