@Undo: wtf, i thought this was obvious and i wouldn't need to explain. i think i understand perfectly well what rincewind said. i was being sarcastic, because i didn't try to imply anything about anyone else in the first place, nor brag that i have better dt knowledge than others. so i don't see why anyone should feel insulted and jump at me. look again at my posts: all i said was that i didn't know DT the first time they visited Greece, and since then i've had the pleasure to watch them live a few times. cause, like, you know, they've played in greece more than once..