Listening to Nile leads to fistfight

[skeptik]

That's not really much of an argument. Do you care to elaborate on why it's okay to physically abuse another individual?

 

[supseudonymous]

So you would never "physically abuse another individual" for any reason unless in self-defense?

 

[skeptik]

Correct. There's no other justification for doing so.

 

[Ender Rises]

The only time I fight is to send a message of "quit fucking with me" when said fucking with me becomes unbearable. When I do fight I don't stop unless I know for a fact that they will never mess with me again.

 

[cookiecutter]

The guy was out of line for asking him to turn it down, but he should have turned it down anyway just to get the guy off his ass.

Are you serious? Just like you would be pissed if you had to hear the muffled sound of Soulja Boy blaring out of someone's headphones. Most people don't want to hear your music. It is incredibly rude to continue doing it after being told it is too loud. If someone can hear it it is too loud.

I don't have a problem with somebody asking me to turn my music down. I know playing my music loud is rude. It's very rare that anybody says anything, but I do it with no problem and apologize.

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Correct. There's no other justification for doing so.

I agree with this, but I'm sure there are some situations where my temper would get the best of me. I'm a nice guy and I ignore people who I don't like, so I have never been in such a situation.

 

[skeptik]

If I were to physically harm somebody not in self-defense, I would not try to justify it, but rather recognize it for what it was, namely a rash, irrational, and erroneous action on my part.

"Go away, I tell you," said Arthur, angrily, "or we shall both repent."

"No," said Adam, with a convulsed voice, "I swear I won't go away without fighting you. Do you want provoking any more? I tell you you're a coward and a scoundrel, and I despise you."

The colour had all rushed back to Arthur's face; in a moment his right hand was clenched, and dealt a blow like lightning, which sent Adam staggering backward. His blood was as thoroughly up as Adam's now, and the two men, forgetting the emotions that had gone before, fought with the instinctive fierceness of panthers in the deepening twilight darkened by the trees. The delicate-handed gentleman was a match for the workman in everything but strength, and Arthur's skill enabled him to protract the struggle for some long moments. But between unarmed men the battle is to the strong, where the strong is no blunderer, and Arthur must sink under a well-planted blow of Adam's as a steel rod is broken by an iron bar. The blow soon came, and Arthur fell, his head lying concealed in a tuft of fern, so that Adam could only discern his darkly clad body.

He stood still in the dim light waiting for Arthur to rise.

The blow had been given now, towards which he had been straining all the force of nerve and muscle--and what was the good of it? What had he done by fighting? Only satisfied his own passion, only wreaked his own vengeance. He had not rescued Hetty, nor changed the past--there it was, just as it had been, and he sickened at the vanity of his own rage.

 

[NinjaGeek]

You probably could've handled the situation better, but for the most part I agree with you, and the guy did have it coming to him, mainly for 2 reasons.

1. The fact he followed you off the bus, meant that it wasn't about the music bothering him, but more about him wanting to be a prick who needed to feel in control and better than others.

2. The fact that he grabbed your arm and shook it. Sure it wasn't violence, but there's a big difference between when you harass someone verbally, and when you start to make it physical. If someone grabs me in the street, I'll push them away, and if they keep doing it I'll push harder, and eventually throw a punch if they don't get the hint.

 

[supseudonymous]

Correct. There's no other justification for doing so.

Hypothetical scenario:
One day while you're away at school your next-door neighbor slaughters your family. Evidence makes it obvious that he is the one who did it. The police arrest him and the legal process ensues. Your neighbor hires quality, experienced lawyers who aid him in jumping through obscure legal loop-holes to achieve a miracle not guilty verdict. Your neighbor falls through the cracks of the system and remains a free, undamaged man. Could you still maintain this level of restraint? He still hasn't physically harmed you specifically in any way.

Edit: Nevermind I guess. Your most recently reply was posted while I was typing this, and answers this question to some degree.

 

[NinjaGeek]

Hypothetical scenario:
One day while you're away at school your next-door neighbor slaughters your family. Evidence makes it obvious that he is the one who did it. The police arrest him and the legal process ensues. Your neighbor hires quality, experienced lawyers who aid him in jumping through obscure legal loop-holes to achieve a miracle not guilty verdict. Your neighbor falls through the cracks of the system and remains and free, undamaged man. Could you still maintain this level of restraint? He still hasn't physically harmed you specifically in any way.

crap example, for the insanely obvious reason that he slaughtered your family. Slaughtering is physical violence, even if it wasn't directly at you you're still impacted, and your family can't exactly fight back for themselves now can they?

 

[cookiecutter]

Hypothetical scenario:
One day while you're away at school your next-door neighbor slaughters your family. Evidence makes it obvious that he is the one who did it. The police arrest him and the legal process ensues. Your neighbor hires quality, experienced lawyers who aid him in jumping through obscure legal loop-holes to achieve a miracle not guilty verdict. Your neighbor falls through the cracks of the system and remains and free, undamaged man. Could you still maintain this level of restraint? He still hasn't physically harmed you specifically in any way.

Edit: Nevermind I guess. Your most recently reply was posted while I was typing this, and answers this question to some degree.

I would shoot him not punch him

 

[Ender Rises]

Are you serious? Just like you would be pissed if you had to hear the muffled sound of Soulja Boy blaring out of someone's headphones. Most people don't want to hear your music. It is incredibly rude to continue doing it after being told it is too loud. If someone can hear it it is too loud.

I'll be pissed, yeah, but I won't bitch at them about it. it's their music. Let me listen to my music and I'll let you listen to yours. I listen to metal. It's meant to be turned up loud. Most of the time I'm walking when I crank music up way loud, so most people don't mind to hear a little bleed off. But still, if I hear some music blaring from someone's car, I won't care, that's their shit let them do it.

 

[supseudonymous]

crap example, for the insanely obvious reason that he slaughtered your family. Slaughtering is physical violence, even if it wasn't directly at you you're still impacted, and your family can't exactly fight back for themselves now can they?

You're severely impacted, but not physically in any way. Therefor it would not be self-defense against a direct physically offense. Retard.

 

[cookiecutter]

I'll be pissed, yeah, but I won't bitch at them about it. it's their music. Let me listen to my music and I'll let you listen to yours. I listen to metal. It's meant to be turned up loud. Most of the time I'm walking when I crank music up way loud, so most people don't mind to hear a little bleed off. But still, if I hear some music blaring from someone's car, I won't care, that's their shit let them do it.

Ignoring the meandering and twisting you did after the first few sentences, basically what you're saying is two wrongs make a right.

 

[NinjaGeek]

You're severely impacted, but not physically in any way. Therefor it would not be self-defense against a direct physically offense. Retard.

But it's also far beyond any form of verbal harassment too, it's an entirely different issue all together, and doesn't belong in this subject.

And no need for childish name calling.

 

[skeptik]

For the record, regardless of what I would do in the given situation, what I would hope to do is absolutely nothing, unless I had just cause to believe that I should fear for my life. I don't believe that victims have the right to punish people.

 

[cookiecutter]

But it's also far beyond any form of verbal harassment too, it's an entirely different issue all together, and doesn't belong in this subject.

And no need for childish name calling.

Yeah kil, your hypothetical is absurd and irrelevant to this argument.

 

[supseudonymous]

But it's also far beyond any form of verbal harassment too, it's an entirely different issue all together, and doesn't belong in this subject.

And no need for childish name calling.

I'm only arguing against Nec's stance that he would only use physical violence against someone in self-defense. In this case the neighbor would not have attacked him directly in any way.

Also, you called my example crappy.
All is fair in love and war.

 

[supseudonymous]

Yeah kil, your hypothetical is absurd and irrelevant to this argument.

Like I said, my hypothetical wasn't meant to relate to the original topic of this thread, but rather how I originally perceived Nec's stance.

 

[Ender Rises]

Ignoring the meandering and twisting you did after the first few sentences, basically what you're saying is two wrongs make a right.

I'm trying dude, I'm drunk. Let me try again.

I'm not disrupting anyone when I walk by them with my headphones blaring metal. They're not disrupting me if they are blaring (for example) rap from their headphones. If I'm not interrupting say them sleeping with my music, I don't see why they should care. If someone says I should turn my shit down, I will either turn it down or walk away from them if I am walking with my headphones to avoid confrontation, due to the pointlessness of confrontation on the basis of music, but I will be kinda pissed off at the fact that they asked me to turn it down when they could have easily moved 3 feet away. It's not their business what I listen to or how loud I listen to it, and it's not my business what they listen to. I may not like it, but it's their music and their choice. I'm a courteous person, so I won't go blaring music from my car loud enough so that people 2 blocks away can hear it, but regardless, I'm not going to get pissed when someone else does it... I'm just going to remove myself from the situation.

Like I said, I'm trying. Basically what I'm saying is nobody should care what I listen to, or how loud I listen to it, and I don't care what other people listen to or how loud, but I will be courteous to other people simply because it's easier.

 

[Ender Rises]

For the record, regardless of what I would do in the given situation, what I would hope to do is absolutely nothing, unless I had just cause to believe that I should fear for my life. I don't believe that victims have the right to punish people.

The Right? No. The justification? Not really. The motive? Yes. If someone killed my family and the law failed to get justice I would get justice my own way. I'm not saying that's right, I'm just saying it's understandable.