Megadeth vs Metallica

[PrincessHades]

I must have missed something...RTL and AJFA aren't masterpieces but Load and Reload are...? LOL

Personally, I've never cared too much for Ride the Lightning. I love ...And Justice For All, but it's not their best. Kill Em' All is my favorite Metallica album.

Keep in mind this is a subjective discussion, and it is implied by default that opinions that deviate from the norm will arise, what's the point in blasting someone else's opinion when you know it won't change?

 

[CiG]

Because it might change.

 

[nizzon]

Or because it should.

 

[Pitiless Wanderer]

Yea I mean honestly, maybe I should have rephrased what I said? I definitely don't care about peoples' opinions too much when it comes to what they listen to, but I've never heard anyone say that Reload and Load are actually better than AJFA and RTL....

 

[EspaDa]

2000s: Megadeth. The 2000s were practically devoid of Metallica releases. St. Anger is awesome, but Death Magnetic is mediocre at best. Megadeth simply released more albums in the 2000s, and they were all at least good, so Megadeth wins here.

I'll just leave it here.

 

[The Ozzman]

If St. Anger had sounded like this, people wouldn't have hated it so much

 

[PrincessHades]

Yea I mean honestly, maybe I should have rephrased what I said? I definitely don't care about peoples' opinions too much when it comes to what they listen to, but I've never heard anyone say that Reload and Load are actually better than AJFA and RTL....

All of the tracks on Ride the Lightning are solid tracks, and a few of them are awesome. Maybe part of it is that I try to compare it to Kill Em' All, which is my favorite Metallica album. It has The Four Horsemen, No Remorse, and Phantom Lord, how can it not be. Ride the Lightning is a technical progression from that album, but it doesn't have the same emotional energy behind it. Justice is similar to Ride the Lightning, I could debate with myself as to whether or not it's better, but that is irrelevant to this discussion. It does have One, which is my favorite Metallica song, but it overshadows the other songs on the album. The Black Album is similar in quality, though far more consistent. Load and ReLoad just happen to resonate in my mind for some reason. They may not resonate with you, and I understand that.

I was on a Metallica forum, but they took the site down for some reason. There were lots of people who really liked Load and ReLoad. Some even said they were their favorite. I do question whether or not these people were actual metalheads, or closed minded Metallica fanboys who think Metallica is the epitome of metal, and don't listen to anything else. That said, I am not the only one who appreciates the artistic exploration seen in those albums, not that it even matters.

 

[PrincessHades]

If St. Anger had sounded like this, people wouldn't have hated it so much

Yeah, the production was main thing that turned people away from St. Anger. Personally, I think it's a pretty cool sound for the band to experiment with, but if they repeatedly used that style, it would get pretty annoying.

 

[nizzon]

That kind of experimentation belongs on EPs, dont know what the hell they were thinking there.

 

[Baroque]

People that prefer load/reload, the only way I can explain them is maybe the black album was their introduction to metal, and they didn't explore the rest of Metallica's discography before load and reload were released. So they had waited a long time for a new Metallica album and just accepted what they got.

The black album was the first Metallica album I heard tbh, I was 9. I then asked my parents for a Metallica album, not even knowing the others were different, and they got me ride the lightning. It was quite shocking and hard to get into at first for a 9 year old, when I was expecting enter sandman. I grew to love the album though even though my friends had similar reactions hearing it "I like enter sandman better" etc. I guess those who prefer load/reload never had the same formative experience.

 

[Pitiless Wanderer]

All of the tracks on Ride the Lightning are solid tracks, and a few of them are awesome. Maybe part of it is that I try to compare it to Kill Em' All, which is my favorite Metallica album. It has The Four Horsemen, No Remorse, and Phantom Lord, how can it not be. Ride the Lightning is a technical progression from that album, but it doesn't have the same emotional energy behind it. Justice is similar to Ride the Lightning, I could debate with myself as to whether or not it's better, but that is irrelevant to this discussion. It does have One, which is my favorite Metallica song, but it overshadows the other songs on the album. The Black Album is similar in quality, though far more consistent. Load and ReLoad just happen to resonate in my mind for some reason. They may not resonate with you, and I understand that.

I was on a Metallica forum, but they took the site down for some reason. There were lots of people who really liked Load and ReLoad. Some even said they were their favorite. I do question whether or not these people were actual metalheads, or closed minded Metallica fanboys who think Metallica is the epitome of metal, and don't listen to anything else. That said, I am not the only one who appreciates the artistic exploration seen in those albums, not that it even matters.

That's fine. We're just looking at it from two opposite points of view. I like KMA, but feel like they were just getting started with that album. I find much more emotion on RTL and especially MOP, with songs like Sanitarium and Disposable Heroes.

 

[PrincessHades]

That's fine. We're just looking at it from two opposite points of view. I like KMA, but feel like they were just getting started with that album. I find much more emotion on RTL and especially MOP, with songs like Sanitarium and Disposable Heroes.

Emotion was a terrible words. Songs like Sanitarium are more emotionally powerful than anything in Kill Em' All, but different kinds of emotions are conveyed.

 

[Pitiless Wanderer]

sure.

 

[Pitiless Wanderer]

People that prefer load/reload, the only way I can explain them is maybe the black album was their introduction to metal, and they didn't explore the rest of Metallica's discography before load and reload were released. So they had waited a long time for a new Metallica album and just accepted what they got.

The black album was the first Metallica album I heard tbh, I was 9. I then asked my parents for a Metallica album, not even knowing the others were different, and they got me ride the lightning. It was quite shocking and hard to get into at first for a 9 year old, when I was expecting enter sandman. I grew to love the album though even though my friends had similar reactions hearing it "I like enter sandman better" etc. I guess those who prefer load/reload never had the same formative experience.

Yea it's because TBA is simply much more of a heavy rock record than a proper metal record. Simple, radio friendly songs much easier to get into than RTL for example.

 

[EternalMetal]

People that prefer load/reload, the only way I can explain them is maybe the black album was their introduction to metal, and they didn't explore the rest of Metallica's discography before load and reload were released. So they had waited a long time for a new Metallica album and just accepted what they got.

The black album was the first Metallica album I heard tbh, I was 9. I then asked my parents for a Metallica album, not even knowing the others were different, and they got me ride the lightning. It was quite shocking and hard to get into at first for a 9 year old, when I was expecting enter sandman. I grew to love the album though even though my friends had similar reactions hearing it "I like enter sandman better" etc. I guess those who prefer load/reload never had the same formative experience.

My introduction to Metallica involved hearing songs like Enter Sandman on the radio and a few of their other radio hits. Eventually a friend of mine gave me a collection of their songs during the early ages of the mp3 era, and it contained a mixed bag of Metallica songs (mostly everything on the Black album, a few songs from Load/Reload, and then some more classic big name tracks like Battery, Orion, For Whom the Bell Tolls, etc. Given that a lot of these tracks were really low quality mp3s, I naturally gravitated to the more simplistic stadium-rock tracks like those from the Black album. I think my favorite song of theirs back then was Wherever I may Roam. I also had a friend who's brother played in a band and covered a lot of hard rock and mainstream metal tracks. Their rendition of Battery was pretty solid, but unfortunately they employed more of a hard rock guitar tone to it so it didnt exactly thrash like the original.

I dont think I listened to an actual Metallica album in order until sometime in high school. It was then that I finally discovered the superiority of MoP and RtL and started getting sick of the sentimental Black album songs. I really do believe that low quality mp3s were the reason why it took me so long to realize my preference (I have since been sort of anal with regards to SQ). Everyone's path to music is different I guess.

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

If St. Anger had sounded like this, people wouldn't have hated it so much

This sounds better than the actual album, but it's still not good in my opinion.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

It was all about a fateful day in ~4th grade when my dad picked me up from school with Puppets blaring loud. I had heard the song/their albums earlier but for whatever reason I was shy about asking him, I think in part because I regularly shat on Van Halen and some other stuff he loved, but the manliness of Hetfield's voice combined with the intricacy of the guitar melodies was too much to turn down. My dad had to check my stereo several times by the time I got sick of listening to the album. To me, everything that wasn't RTL or AJFA was a disappointment for quite a while because none of the other albums had the full package of aggression and ambitious songwriting. I think everything they've done is worth at least a rare listen now. I listened to that full St. Anger cover above and it still reminded me at the very least that the album had some pretty strong hooks/memorable parts.

 

[no country for old wainds]

one day as an offspring/SOAD/nirvana fan i got RELOAD from the library (yup i borrowed CDs from the library back then), thought it was stupid but copied it to my computer anyway, then one day i gave it another try and suddenly realised i like 'the unforgiven 2'. a few listens later i thought that song was utterly incredible (i still love it), and i bought the black album a few weeks later just before going on a holiday to scotland, ended up completely thrilled and obsessed. the most any single album has even blown my mind, for sure - i'd never heard anything like it. got master of puppets and AJFA a little while after, both on the same day, wasn't immediately mindblown in the same way but quickly came to love them just as much, and then more. that period, and just after when i started to explore metal (sampling the likes of sabbath, priest, slayer, exodus, candlemass) was probably the most excited i've ever been about music.

 

[Phylactery]

one day as an offspring/SOAD/nirvana fan

Ewwww

But yeah, the start of exploring metal was definitely the most I've ever been excited about music. It was the first time I'd ever had a real emotional connection with music.

This thread has also made me more aware of what a gateway band into metal Metallica were for so many people. It's probably the reason why they're so incredibly overrated.

 

[The Butt]

Offspring is awesome.