Megadeth vs Metallica

[CiG]

Ride The Lightning didn't overdo it like Master Of Puppets did. It has the right balance to me.

 

[Phylactery]

Lingering UltraBoris influence from the in-crowd's nascent.

UltraBoris is a douche with generally terrible opinions. His obsession with riffs is annoying as is his idolisation of the thrash genre and how he makes it out to be the most pure metal genre. He just happened to be right about Master of Puppets being average.

 

[CiG]

I don't know how his opinion would influence mine though, never heard of him.

 

[Sirjack]

RTL. Puppets and AJFA are superior to all Megawank out put. The best and pretty much only album worth ears is Peace Sells. Friedman made RIP - without his solo's you have laughable vocals clickerty clickery bass and shite production with feeble riffs. And they've never done anything worthy since

 

[MrTagoMago]

Lingering UltraBoris influence from the in-crowd's nascent.

I hate that guy. I agree with him on Spectre within though.

 

[MrTagoMago]

RTL. Puppets and AJFA are superior to all Megawank out put. The best and pretty much only album worth ears is Peace Sells. Friedman made RIP - without his solo's you have laughable vocals clickerty clickery bass and shite production with feeble riffs. And they've never done anything worthy since

You make it sound like Metallica has made something worthy since AJFA.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

UltraBoris is a douche with generally terrible opinions. His obsession with riffs is annoying as is his idolisation of the thrash genre and how he makes it out to be the most pure metal genre. He just happened to be right about Master of Puppets being average.

Nah, his obsession with riffs is the one thing he got right. Riffing style is what defines metal above anything else, and is what makes it the objectively greatest style of music. Master of Puppets isn't remotely average in any way and along with its predecessor was one of the most creative and inspired metal albums of the 80s.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

And yeah he got Spectre right. When I first discovered M-A I just went through a lot of his reviews and would often download stuff that he liked and would find that I liked it too. I also loved his coining of "whiffle thrash", which described what I hated so much about the thrash I had been introduced to early in my discovery phase. My only review on the website, of Maiden's SSOASS, was slapped together largely because of how overrated I thought it was there, spearheaded by the Boris dude. I don't have anything against the guy, I think his personality and reviewing style and kind of iconoclasm represents a phase found in many reactionary budding metalheads, I just think it's silly when people propagate the anti-Puppets meme a decade after that review.

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

UltraBoris is an idiot. A lot of his opinions are really dumb.

Ride the Lightning is definitely better than Master of Puppets for me because the latter is a case of a talented band finding a winning formula on the previous album and taking some elements of it to excess. Ride the Lightning doesn't have many moments where it seems overblown.

 

[Phylactery]

HBB finds value in absolute nadirs of music such as Lulu so it's pointless discussing Metallica with him, he's too much of a fanboy.

I will agree with him about RtL being a great and inspired record, though. It was the first Metallica album I listened to in full and I still love it well over 10 years later. How could MoP not be anything but a letdown after that?

 

[Sirjack]

You make it sound like Metallica has made something worthy since AJFA.

Where/how?

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Ride the Lightning is definitely better than Master of Puppets for me because the latter is a case of a talented band finding a winning formula on the previous album and taking some elements of it to excess. Ride the Lightning doesn't have many moments where it seems overblown.

Tracklisting similarities aside, what elements?

HBB finds value in absolute nadirs of music such as Lulu so it's pointless discussing Metallica with him, he's too much of a fanboy.

lolno, I find almost no value in St. Anger and Death Magnetic. Only plebs think Lulu is literally one of the worst albums ever created. I think it's a poor album but it has a few good songs and other decent ones, or at least parts of ones.

 

[MrTagoMago]

Tracklisting similarities aside, what elements?



lolno, I find almost no value in St. Anger and Death Magnetic. Only plebs think Lulu is literally one of the worst albums ever created. I think it's a poor album but it has a few good songs and other decent ones, or at least parts of ones.

Lol at Lulu having good songs. Obviously there are worse albums out thereally but Lulu is one of the the worst to come out of a band who was once good.

 

[Satanstoenail]

Ride The Lightning didn't overdo it like Master Of Puppets did. It has the right balance to me.

Overdo what? Balance of what?

Ride the Lightning is definitely better than Master of Puppets for me because the latter is a case of a talented band finding a winning formula on the previous album and taking some elements of it to excess. Ride the Lightning doesn't have many moments where it seems overblown.

Which elements? Overblown how?

I will agree with him about RtL being a great and inspired record, though. It was the first Metallica album I listened to in full and I still love it well over 10 years later. How could MoP not be anything but a letdown after that?

The only way would be if they managed to make MoP just as inspired and genius and classic as its predecessor. Which they did in spades. They were absolutely in the zone on both albums imo.

The only reason I can see for you people rating RtL higher than MoP is that RtL is slightly more raw and of course more raw always equals better around here for some reason.

 

[Phylactery]

By this logic, shouldn't Kill 'Em All be my favourite? I definitely prefer RtL's production to MoP's, but that's nowhere near being the biggest factor as to why I prefer it. To me, simply everything about it is better. Better songs, better vocals, better riffs, and the biggest thing of all is that it actually makes me feel something. MoP just plods along, occasionally rising above mediocrity and for the majority of the record I feel nothing. It's easily the most overrated metal album of all time.

 

[Satanstoenail]

By this logic, shouldn't Kill 'Em All be my favourite?

Kill 'Em All is a whole other discussion.

I definitely prefer RtL's production to MoP's, but that's nowhere near being the biggest factor as to why I prefer it. To me, simply everything about it is better. Better songs, better vocals, better riffs, and the biggest thing of all is that it actually makes me feel something. MoP just plods along, occasionally rising above mediocrity and for the majority of the record I feel nothing. It's easily the most overrated metal album of all time.

I just don't get it. They're so similar riff wise, vocally and the song format is almost identical, yet MoP "plods along" compared to RtL? Makes no sense.

 

[Phylactery]

Well if they're as similar as you say (HamburgerBoy will jump on you for this, as he did me when I said it), then why bother listening to the inferior version?

I've had this opinion since I was 15/16. MoP just never did anything for me, can't really explain other than I just don't find it enjoyable. I gave it another listen recently and still didn't like it much. "Disposable Heroes" did stand out more than in the past is the only positive thing that I can say.

Also obligatory mention that they were clearly out of Mustaine riffs by this point

I'll also add that I'll take AJFA over MoP. It's full of flaws but I find it more interesting at least.

 

[MrTagoMago]

The best way I can describe my feelings toward MOP is that it looks great on paper but when I listen to it it just doesn't do much for me. I prefer listening to the songs in my head rather than actually hearing them. I will say though Orion is nothing more than a half assed attempt at an atmospheric instrumental epic much like what prog and krautrock bands of the 70s were known for.

 

[CiG]

Overdo what? Balance of what?

For a start, the album length. Secondly, song length. Every song on Master Of Puppets is over 5 minutes long. The album is quite wanky at times, long dragging intros.

I love slow, leisurely doom metal of course, but I like quite the opposite with thrash metal, but I just thought they used the right amount of flourishes and fancy musicianship on Ride The Lightning without tarnishing the intensity that makes thrash metal so good to me.

Master Of Puppets was like a good dessert recipe with a little too much rich chocolate sauce on top.

I have no problem with it's production though. Sounds amazing, it just drags a little for me.

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets have the same number of tracks, but the latter album is a good deal longer. The average track length is roughly a minute longer on Master of Puppets than it is on Ride the Lightning. The album lacks direct, intense songs that hit you hard and then leave before they overstay their welcome.

A good example of a song that I think is overblown is the title track. I think that it's longer than it needed to be and the stop-start sections kill the buildup and intensity that a thrash metal song of that length should have.