Metal vs Classical Music

Metal:

Pros - Some AMAZING music within the genre!
Cons - Some SHIT SHIT SHIT music within the genre.

Classical:

Pros - Some AMAZING music within the genre!
Cons - Some SHIT SHIT SHIT music within the genre.
 
IM pretty sure is Bach or beethoven were alive today there favorite music would be Metal. Metal can be a diverse style of music, all forms can be incorporated into metal.

this doesn't need an essay-length response. all that needs to be said is: you're fucking retarded.
 
Is classic music's complexity what makes it worthy for you? Isn't this the same case for metal? People find COB songs kiddish, but actually some are really good songs. Watershed is a lot more complex structured than any Opeth album so far, yet I like other albums more does this mean I am not into Opeth ?

It actually is very important, complexity I mean. And to a degree it is the case in metal too, a song's structure, complexity, amount of work put onto it etc matters a lot. A simple plain riff, it doesnt matter how great it sounds, will not make its place among masterpieces, though I know the ongoing trend about this complexity of music discussion I frankly do not agree with them. But of course complexity does not necessarily mean John Petrucci complexity&speed only, you can get what I mean by thinking this a little.

How do I know Asturias is a weak compositon? Answer to the other guy will come from some classic music experts, not random kids like you.. And the ones I listened to said so, you can go and investigate yourself.. (I am not that credible to make a such statement, I am aware of that)
 
This is a pointless discussion, it all comes down to personal taste and preferences in the end, and music is far to objective to be able to define what makes something 'good'.

I would normally agree with that kind of statements, but I will suggest that you take the main question as "What makes it good/bad for you?", which as an answer (that shows nothing, is subjective and could vary at anytime).
 
I would normally agree with that kind of statements, but I will suggest that you take the main question as "What makes it good/bad for you?", which as an answer (that shows nothing, is subjective and could vary at anytime).

Indeed. People seem to forget the real question.
 
It actually is very important, complexity I mean. And to a degree it is the case in metal too, a song's structure, complexity, amount of work put onto it etc matters a lot. A simple plain riff, it doesnt matter how great it sounds, will not make its place among masterpieces, though I know the ongoing trend about this complexity of music discussion I frankly do not agree with them. But of course complexity does not necessarily mean John Petrucci complexity&speed only, you can get what I mean by thinking this a little.

How do I know Asturias is a weak compositon? Answer to the other guy will come from some classic music experts, not random kids like you.. And the ones I listened to said so, you can go and investigate yourself.. (I am not that credible to make a such statement, I am aware of that)

What?
For me it seems the more i write and listen to music, the more i appreciate minimalism in music, if you know what you're doing and searching for in music a parade of decorations such as solos and riffs on their own become less and less important, but that's my perspective of it, i search for a feeling or a deeper thought in music, decorations such as solos and riffs rarely impress me unless they are a part of a whole...i'm just saying not everyone shares your musical point of view, throwing statements like that only shows how narrow your musical view is.
 
I would normally agree with that kind of statements, but I will suggest that you take the main question as "What makes it good/bad for you?", which as an answer (that shows nothing, is subjective and could vary at anytime).

What do you guys think? What is the main pros and cons of both music? This has been troubling me for some time really and I just want to talk about it.

I don't see the original post for what makes it good or bad to me. It asks what are the pros and cons of both types of music and I was simply stating that it depends on what your personal preferences are to as to what makes it good. Obviously, someone may like heavy metal because it has an agressive sound, and others may hate it because it has an agressive sound. That is what I think!
 
metal pros: outlet for depressed outcast teenage dorks, and I guess metal riffs own sometimes
metal cons: people [correctly] think you're a loser for listening to it, corpsepaint, constant blastbeats, laughable vocals, breeds elitist teenagers, occasional ties to national socialism, stupidest lyrics possible, etc

classical pros: the sheer range of registers and timbres of an orchestra allows for unlimited scope, complexity, subtlety, and/or emotion
classical cons: you have to be, at the very least, an attentive listener to appreciate most of it, which rules out almost everyone on this forum. maybe that's a pro :chinrub:
 
you have to be, at the very least, an attentive listener to appreciate most of it, which rules out almost everyone on this forum. maybe that's a pro :chinrub:
:confused: Last I checked this was an Opeth forum. Chances are the majority of people here are much more attentive than most people you'll encounter on a day-to-day basis.

Anyway, I'm glad I can't hear all the subtleties of classical music or fully understand its depth. If I could, I'd likely be a bitter and resentful elitist too. :p
 
:confused: Last I checked this was an Opeth forum. Chances are the majority of people here are much more attentive than most people you'll encounter on a day-to-day basis.

if you think listening to Opeth takes a lot of attention then you're just proving my point. Opeth is a more nuanced than most metal but their entire discography isn't as nuanced, emotive, or scopious as a single Shostakovich symphony. and your point breaks down when you consider the fact that 95% of the 'attentive' Opeth fans on this board also love completely awful embarrassing garbage like Dream Theater and Disillusion and Isis and Korpiklaani
 
any self-respecting human would be thoroughly ashamed to even entertain those beliefs, much less staunchly defend them
 
What?
For me it seems the more i write and listen to music, the more i appreciate minimalism in music, if you know what you're doing and searching for in music a parade of decorations such as solos and riffs on their own become less and less important, but that's my perspective of it, i search for a feeling or a deeper thought in music, decorations such as solos and riffs rarely impress me unless they are a part of a whole...i'm just saying not everyone shares your musical point of view, throwing statements like that only shows how narrow your musical view is.

I wish you had read more carefully or could understand what I wrote..
"It actually is very important, complexity I mean. And to a degree it is the case in metal too, a song's structure, complexity, amount of work put onto it etc matters a lot."
I wonder how you are going to put those stuff you blabbered into music, without thinking in a complex subtle way. It isnt that simple to write a lead like E-D-F-E-A-F and repeat it all over and claim that it is deeply sewed with thoughts and stuff.