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ThisIsACoolName
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Actually, the idea behind the second amendment is to keep the government in line. Since it allows us the right to keep arms and to organize and maintain a militia, it means that, if need be, we are capable of rising up against the government.
Now, obviously, some pretty extreme shit would have to go down for enough people to get so pissed off that they'd take up arms and revolt, but it's not impossible. I know, a massive armed revolt of the American people sounds pretty far fetched these day- but it happened twice; and I'm not saying anything like that will happen in any of our lifetimes (but, in the future, who know's, right?).
The knowledge that we are perfectly capable rising up against them keeps the govenment from really fucking us over. It's intended to make them afraid of us.
And, yes, I realize that countries with strict gun control laws aren't all fascist dictatoships- nor do I think that America would become one if we didn't have the second amendment- but that doesn't mean it can't happen. I just wouldn't feel very comfortable if the governent took away our ability to protect ourselves from them.
...But, yeah, mostly it's just because rednecks are afraid that black people will kill them if they don't own a private arsenal.
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The constitution was written a very long time ago and it was written for those times. Contrary to popular belief, the founding fathers where not psychic and could not possibly write a set of rules that would be logical to be kept in use for the entire history of the country. The 2nd amendment was a time when the need to raise militia or defend your home or protest the government in less than peaceful ways was a much more real thing than it is these days. That being said I support the 2nd amendment.
ThisIsACoolName
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The concept, however, is just as valid today as it was then. Just because it was more likley then does not mean it can't or won't happen today. How many times has the Bush administration tried to cut in on our civil liberties since 9/11?
I'd also like to mention that Americans exercised their right to rise against the government nearly 100 years after the constitution was written. I fail to see how the dosuments having been written a long time ago invalidates the concept in anyway.
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I am not saying it necessarily does in this case, I am just saying that people thinking that the constitution is the be all end all of every issue is retarded.
ThisIsACoolName
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It is retarded to make the consitution the "be all end all" of everything. However, I don't think that having rights is retarded. Afterall, the entire issue of gun control is a matter of constitutional rights. The consitution is at the center of the issue, so I fail to see why including it in the discussion is retarded.
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Okay, I seriously doubt that any militia could stand up to the U.S. military, with all its tanks, jets and cruise missiles. Not that there would be many people left in the military if the government turned into a dictatorship, but there'd probably be enough mindless 'patriots' left that they could manage plenty of oppression.
And... the U.S. military won pretty easily against the Confederates. I realize this isn't really analogous to today, since military technology has skyrocketed since then; at the time, it was pretty much superiority in numbers that won it for the Union forces. Which means it would currently be easier for a fascist minority in the U.S. to oppress the poorly-armed remainder of the country.
ThisIsACoolName
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Do you think that any army- no matter how strong- could win against an armed and angry population of millions? It would be impossible. You're thinking in terms of two standing armies meeting on a battlefield. History has proven time and time again, that is not how revolution works.
Look at Vietnam. We had the biggest and strongest army back then, too. They had a relatively large armed rebel movement- some local boys with guns. We had napalm, fighter jets, helicopters, machines gun, tanks, the works. They had rifles and sharp sticks, and they won. t's the same with Iraq today. We've got drone planes and smart bombs. They've got soviet left over AK's and car bombs, yet they're putting up a pretty good fight.
And, of course, out own revolutionary war! Farmers and boys with their hunting rifles taking on the most massive and powerful army on the face of the earth, and they won.
And we have millions of people and lots of guns. All the rebellions that have given our military such problems in the past would pale in comparison to what a popular armed movment amongst Americans would be. Not to mention how many thousands of soldier would join the rebellion.
Well, this is just flat out wrong. The CSA has the upperhand until Gettysburg, and even after that it was an extremely hard fought war. Just because they Union ultimatley won doesn't mean it was easy. Far, far from it.
And the military would not have superior numbers if the American citizens decided to rebel. Most people aren't in the military, you know.
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awesome! I havent shot a rifle. Only shot a pistol once. but I loved it and got my own two months later.
Im thinking about getting a level action rifle. those are just so badass!
fuck yeah. I plan on owning a ton of guns. Not even for protection. Just because its fun as fuck!
even though if you break into my house... you arent getting out alive. If that means I use my bare hands, a knife, a sword, or a gun.
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haha, why do yanks wonder why so many people hate their country and why it's so messed up when you have tards like krieg.
Let's own guns for fun and shoot at stuff ye haw
I can sort of understand the need for guns for protection, but you dont need rifels and shit.
I'd bet USA would be a much safer society with less murder if guns were illegalised along with most other civilised societies.
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I just accidentally opened the first page of this thread,for the first time. First 50 or so pages are gold, it's funny how you all look much different than what I imagined gave me a good laugh.I should go to sleep it's 5am and I'm drunk.OK, back to you're talk about guns and constitution or whatever.
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There's no way in hell that an armed revolution in 2007 could possibly overthrow the US Government and military and anybody who fucking thinks that is utterly delusional. The technology that the military has never even felt necessary to deploy as of yet is otherworldly. The US military can very easily handle a civilian population of a few million with ease. The likelihood of a 200,000,000 man rebellion is about as likely as the rapture, so that's not even an issue.
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