OT, have you all heard about Jon Nödtveidt?
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holy shit ken lay died? that's what I get for reading internet forums about recording metal instead of reading the news.MKS said:
ken lay was a bad man. a bad bad man. I hope golfing in hell sucks. may you score 666 on a nine hole course Mr Lay! you dead evil bastard.
It drives me nuts when I hear someone describing a woman as 'a good lay' because all I wonder is whether they're talking about getting physically fucked or just heading straight to sucking paychecks and retirement funds from the get-go. Like I really need more sex problems. Fucking bastards Lay and Skilling.
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DSS3 said:That's exactly what Satanism is.
Actually, what I was describing was Atheism. Satanism revolves around, and is a reaction to, a belief system based on Judeo-Christian mythology. Not to mention, it's an elitist religion.
I can't be bothered with elitism or religion.
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OzNimbus said:Actually, what I was describing was Atheism. Satanism revolves around, and is a reaction to, a belief system based on Judeo-Christian mythology. Not to mention, it's an elitist religion.
I can't be bothered with elitism or religion.
I hate to get into a debate, Oz, as I have huge respect for you, so this is all in the name of educating onesself, but Satanism is essential an inversion of Christian belief's, with nothing to do with the Christian 'Satan.' There is no deity, actually, either, Satan is just used to represent the ideals of the group.
http://www.churchofsatan.com/home.html
Does a pretty good job of explaining it, albeit a bit gung-ho at times.
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Fair enough. Too many people fight over religion. The last thing I want to do is argue about non-religion. That would be just plain retarted. :zombie:
Anyway, take care.
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Anyway, take care.
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OzNimbus said:
what? you don't want to argue whether person can truly be an agnostic or is instead relegated to being labeled an "implicit atheist?" we could REALLY have some fun with that argument about non-religion!
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crazy eh guys, you come to the forum to get the latest recording jazz and you end up with a lesson in satanism. ha oh hey while on the subject someone pointed this out to me today http://www.churchofsatan.com/home.html
scroll to the very bottom mac users
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I don't feel like getting into what I think of his death, but here's an awesome video from '96 of Night's Blood I found earlier:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTKsxRgnY1k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTKsxRgnY1k
sorceron said:
"We think TOO different."
If people were to drop the whole 'Satanism = worshipping Christianity's idea of Satan' kind of thing, we'd all be a lot better off. Hiding support from any group that does no harm to society is absurd, and does more harm to the group telling people to shut up than would be done if they were allowed to talk.
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This is insane http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/Apple.html
I mean, the first Apple computer was released at a price of $666. Why has Apple turned their back on Satanists now?
I mean, the first Apple computer was released at a price of $666. Why has Apple turned their back on Satanists now?
JBroll said:
Haha..I said I wouldn't get into this, but I just want make this point.
If Satanists would stop using the word "Satan" altogether then they wouldn't have the problem of everybody immediately associating them with the Christian idea of Satan. Calling it Satanism specifically is just validating that argument. It's sort of like calling myself an anarchist, even though I don't believe in anarchy, I just don't like the government. And then trying to get everybody to believe that "anarchy" really means something else altogether. Nobody is gonna buy it.
I am in fact opposed to organized religion, including Christianity, but when I express that I don't feel that "Satan" has anything to do with it. If I wanted to distance myself from a certain organization, I wouldn't define myself using their symbolism.
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Metalhead28 said:
Then you're missing the point of LeVay's Satanism.
As for the other "satanists", if you really believe (and worship) "the Devil" then that means you acknowledge the existence of God. So, why the hell (pun intended) would you worship Satan???
metalkingdom said:Then you're missing the point of LeVay's Satanism.
As for the other "satanists", if you really believe (and worship) "the Devil" then that means you acknowledge the existence of God. So, why the hell (pun intended) would you worship Satan???
I wasn't really talking about Lavey's Satanism in general, I was just talking about people who wish others would not equate their ideas of Satanism with the Christian church's. It was a direct response to JBroll's statement about the same thing.
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metalkingdom said:Then you're missing the point of LeVay's Satanism.
As for the other "satanists", if you really believe (and worship) "the Devil" then that means you acknowledge the existence of God. So, why the hell (pun intended) would you worship Satan???
why would the existence of satan require the existence of god? give me one good reason.
Sure, if you're going by the christian definition of lucifer falling from heaven blah blah...but excluding that nonsense, someone could just as easily come up with their own nonsense about how there is no god, but there is a satan with boogie-man powers that you can tap into if you worship him. why not?
god could exist independant of christianity.
religion could existence independant of god.
jesus could have existed independant of god.
satan could exist independant of god.
it's all about whatever definition you decide to believe in. personally I believe in satan, the flying speghetti monster, plastic spoons, magic dolphins, and chocolate truffle demons; but I don't believe in god. satan only exists because the plastic spoons wanted to bake chocolate truffle demon cake, so they manifested a 'hell' with a 'satan' who had giant ovens burning at all times explicity for baking tasty desserts. 'god' isn't even part of the equation.
Satan could very easily be a conceptual ideal, or a representation of self awareness and indulgence removed from its manifestations in human form. Demons and hell are NOT Christian inventions. The roots of Christianity are in more ways than not the mythology that it had to bring in in order to appease the people who were to be converted - Romans adapted it for themselves after it was no longer illegal, by imposing things they liked and were used to as well as bringing in Greek philosophy (before Justinian I closed the last Greek philosophy schools); Rome's territories had to be eased into it by the Romans when it became the state religion and one part of converting these territories was making it more palatable to the cultures of these territories; when Rome fell and the religion spread all over the place, only loosely bound by the institution of the papacy, new regions adapted it for themselves; when it was brought over to the "New World" some cultures impacted it in the same way; even today new and revived concepts like the historicity of Jesus and Christian Reconstructionism are changing it. To think that it all was there in the beginning and that it is really the beginning of concepts inside it is simply absurd.
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