Over-rated Bands

Danny Carey is a very good drummer, I'll agree not as great as the fanboys like to claim but still very good. I think the only really weak link in the band is Adam, their guitarist, but I also think that if they had anyone else then they just wouldn't have the same sound.

I do find the whole conspiracy things that Tool fanboys get into about the band funny as fuck. I don't find being interested in conspiracies in general (I personally am) but they take it to a level of stupid not seen by any other group.
 
Mort Divine said:
They were not THE most influential nor the most important, that goes to Possessed.

I don't give a shit that they were important to the genre, their music is subpar and they are worshiped far too much for it to be on musical merit alone.

I don't like their music, others love it - I don't see why, it is overrated.

You see how it works? :rolleyes:
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lol musical merit/subpar? Your contradiction there is amusing. Possessed was obscure to the masses. Sounded like DM only because it was recorded in a trash can and though it contains some wonderful sounding guitar solos, the compositions are poorly defined and the guitar tone alone has the thin 80s thrash sound. I think someone wishes they wrote those albums.

I would also pick Suffocation, or possibly Cannibal Corpse as the most overrated DM band.

For Life Sucks, though BS is extremely overrated I find people call it metal simply because it contains a distorted guitar. It merely set the tone for metal, blues in metal is a no no now. So the mention of BS here boggles me a bit.
 
Vacant_Planets said:
lol musical merit/subpar? Your contradiction there is amusing. Possessed was obscure to the masses. Sounded like DM only because it was recorded in a trash can and though it contains some wonderful sounding guitar solos, the compositions are poorly defined and the guitar tone alone has the thin 80s thrash sound. I think someone wishes they wrote those albums.

blues in metal is a no no now. So the mention of BS here boggles me a bit.
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How is my point a contradiction? Their music is no where near as great as people claim it to be.

Possessed is the first DM band, it doesn't matter that the masses didn't know of them. Seven Churches is undeniably death metal, undeniably the first.
 
Mort Divine said:
How is my point a contradiction? Their music is no where near as great as people claim it to be.

Possessed is the first DM band, it doesn't matter that the masses didn't know of them. Seven Churches is undeniably death metal, undeniably the first.
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Really? I have yet to see you explain away the trash roots in it which are not present in Death's work. it's even up the last EP they did. I'm actually a fan of the band. The aternately picked rythems are the only elements of DM to be found. Of course this can be found in many thrash bands of the time as too. Infernal Majesty is one of many good examples. Possessed belongs next to the other Thrash bands that fell through the cracks, those being Realm, Artillery, Infernal Majesty, etc etc.

Your statement is a contradiction simply because if a band is well known for their music then they have gained popularity for the right reason thus their music can not be subpar.
 
If you can't hear the thrash influence in Death, especially the first album then I'm really wondering what you're listening to. Sure Possessed is really fuckin' thrashy, most early DM was - but listening to Seven Churches one can easily distinguish it from thrash bands.

The quality of music is subjective you fool.
 
Mort Divine said:
If you can't hear the thrash influence in Death, especially the first album then I'm really wondering what you're listening to. Sure Possessed is really fuckin' thrashy, most early DM was - but listening to Seven Churches one can easily distinguish it from thrash bands.

The quality of music is subjective you fool.
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Fool? You're the one who is getting pissy. Thrashy? lol I am beginning to think most of this went right over your head. I frankly don't give a shit about what you hear, only about what is actually there. You know....theory.... That's how we end the 'In my opinion bullshit'.
 
Oh yes, because Chuck was so well versed in music theory. Scream Bloody Gore is incredibly thrash influenced. If you can't hear that, then it isn't my fault.

I'm getting pissy because you're being an asshole basically saying opinions are for naught. Music being GOOD is subjective, now hush you.
 
Mort Divine said:
Oh yes, because Chuck was so well versed in music theory. Scream Bloody Gore is incredibly thrash influenced. If you can't hear that, then it isn't my fault.

I'm getting pissy because you're being an asshole basically saying opinions are for naught. Music being GOOD is subjective, now hush you.
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Enough with the "it's thrash because I say so" game, it's not gonna work. We will have to agree to disagree. Yes, that enables a person to write well rounded music, that confirms that this is going over your head......
 
early death metal seems to have a great amount of thrash influence.either way, you cant expect a genre to start, and sound totally like its own thing from the first pioneering band.
 
im not gonna argue what the first death metal record was, but id say death sure did help start the genre, but not necessarily the first death metal record. what they achieved was the pioneering sound of what death metal is and was going to be.they defined the genre,single handidly.
 
Are we talking the first full-length? Because the Mantas and Death demos, Sodom's Witching Metal, Poison's Sons Of Evil, etc. all predate Seven Churches. The '84 versions of Death By Metal are just as death metal as Seven Churches I'd say.
 
Going by full lengths, and even then Sodom wouldn't be in the running seeing as they had litte to do with death metal and more with black metal, but were wholely thrash.
 
Mort Divine said:
Going by full lengths, and even then Sodom wouldn't be in the running seeing as they had litte to do with death metal and more with black metal, but were wholely thrash.
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Well, Sodom wouldn't qualify anyway seeing as they didn't release a full-length before Seven Churches. Seems like an arbitrary standard to use anyway.

I don't know about calling Sodom pure thrash, Witching Metal at least could easily be mistaken for a late 1980's black metal demo, although the recording quality may misrepresent the actual music.
 
thisisaformicatable said:
I don't know about calling Sodom pure thrash, Witching Metal at least could easily be mistaken for a late 1980's black metal demo, although the recording quality may misrepresent the actual music.
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That kind of discrepancy has sometimes been cited as an explanation for Venom's sound. Yeah, they were probably trying to do something a bit different anyway, but the lob-sided production of their early records inadvertently added to the effect, so it is said. I think that applies to early Sodom too, as their early recordings just sound like several very unskilled musicians trying to play as fast as possible. I mean, they're barely in time with each other on a lot of ITSOE, so the end result most likely wasn't entirely premeditated.
 
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