SymphonyX and Kamelot, The Best of Metal

Originally posted by †Russel Allen†®
What?!?!??! C'mon, good people... I saw a RealPlayer video live presentation of Kamelot at Wacken... that guy Khan couldn't reach a tone level that I can reach when I'm sleeping! Not counting that he doesn't have the agressiveness that Sir Russel haves...
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Well, I tell ya, I was once just like you. A friend lent me The Fourth Legacy and when I heard Khan's voice, I was like, "Uuuugggh, this is this Khan character everyone was raving about?" So I gave it back.

Time marches on...

I saw their set in Atlanta last year and it was a pretty kicking show. Even I could not help but get into it with all the fans around me. So after I got back, I checked out the samples at their official site. Darnit if I didn't like them. Soon after that I purchased Karma.

The thing about Khan's voice which I find amazing is that it stands out, much like Mr. Allen's, but in a different way. So many prog and power metal acts have a singer that can "WAAAAHHHH!!!", almost to the point where it's become cliché (Russell can do the high stuff, but has an impressive range that he uses. Awesome). Khan, OTOH, is silky smooth and mellow and he does with little effort. Very emotional style, IMHO.

I'd say wait awhile...then check them out again. It may grow on you.
 
Kamelot is awful. They just repeat themselves too much.

I don't understand how anyone can call them progressive. (that's not the reason why it's awful, but I've seen many times mentioned progressive metal band Kamelot).
 
I don't know anyone who would call Kamelot progressive, they are power melodic metal in my opinion, maybe some prog tendancies here and there but not enough to be lumped into the genre.

Awful??? nope they kicked ass live. To each

Bear
 
Originally posted by †Russel Allen†®
What?!?!??! C'mon, good people... I saw a RealPlayer video live presentation of Kamelot at Wacken... that guy Khan couldn't reach a tone level that I can reach when I'm sleeping! Not counting that he doesn't have the agressiveness that Sir Russel haves...
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I think, the other guys have already said what I wanted to say to that, actually. But one more thing here: Sir Russell (my absolute #1) and Roy Khan (in my personal hall of fame too) are totally , no, TOTALLY different vocalists. Sir Russell has aggressiveness in his voice, yes, but he has also emotion, feeling and all what's important - like Roy has. Let me ask you something. Do you base your opinion on (perhaps even bad quality) bootlegs or bad videos only? Have you ever seen Kamelot live yet? Or have you ever actually checked out (which means LISTENING) to actual Kamelot studio albums? And I mean LISTENING. No offense, but you cannot just rate a band by bootlegs or other non-official stuff without having to actually listened to their official releases.

Well, if you don't like Kamelot, leave them alone. No one wants to force you to like them. But you should really check out Conception AND Kamelot to compare Roy and Sir Russell and THEN state your opinion on both. Again, Roy and Sir Russell are totally different. Roy has the "finer" voice, Sir Russell the more aggressive, which doesn't mean he is better just because he sounds more raw. I love them both. And I am picky.

My female two cents.
 
Originally posted by Lady Of The Snow


Let me ask you something. Do you base your opinion on (perhaps even bad quality) bootlegs or bad videos only? Have you ever seen Kamelot live yet? Or have you ever actually checked out (which means LISTENING) to actual Kamelot studio albums? And I mean LISTENING. No offense, but you cannot just rate a band by bootlegs or other non-official stuff without having to actually listened to their official releases.

Well, if you don't like Kamelot, leave them alone. No one wants to force you to like them. But you should really check out Conception AND Kamelot to compare Roy and Sir Russell and THEN state your opinion on both. Again, Roy and Sir Russell are totally different. Roy has the "finer" voice, Sir Russell the more aggressive, which doesn't mean he is better just because he sounds more raw. I love them both. And I am picky.

My female two cents.
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First of all...
:eek:
hehehe...

I didn't mean to disconsider Kamelot... I like Kamelot a lot... (duh... hehehe!)

But...

ALL my opinions are based on things that I've already experienced. I have 2 Kamelot CDs (Karma & 4th Legacy), and I never said that the band sucks!!!!!!!! Not at all!!! Kamelot is definitely on my TOP-10 metal bands!!! I've heard the old Kamelot CDs with the other singer, and I think that he's better than Khan! Period! Khan hasn't a little bit of energy on his voice, nor feeling... but you've gotta see that this is MY opinion... my conception of what the voices of Mr. Allen and Mr. Khan causes in me! But............ Kamelot songs (instrumentally speaking) is other story... there is they DO have a lot of energy, Mr. Youngblood is a f#cking guitarrist!! So is the keyplayer, so is the bassist, so is the drummer... :-) Once more, I didn't say that Kamelot sucks in the whole thing... it's just Mr. Khan that, in MY opinion, is a little "off-place" over there... I can imagine a singer like Ripper Owens singin' in Kamelot... or, a singer with the same energy that Owens have... got it now?!?!?!?! :-)

Ohh, and... aahmm... another thing...

In studio, miracles can happen, you know?!?! Have you ever been in a recording studio before?!?! They can adjust your voice, mix, equalize, in a way that it can sound as powerful as Mr. Allen's!!! So... to me, at least, the efficiency and the "handicap" of a singer, or a musician, is more in his live presentation than in his studio performance. Remember, Blind Guardian could never perform live all those guitar choirs that Andre Olbrich and Mr. Siepen does... even Hansi Kürsch sounds really awful in live performances... :-)
 
@ †Russel Allen†®

Hey. I hope, you didn't get me wrong but what I was saying.

Anyways, you're not alone in this "Roy Khan is totally out of place in Kamelot" thing. And I am not defending the band although I run one of their websites. It's just my personal opinion that I think that Roy is perfect for them. I started out with Conception about 8 years ago. Not that I follow musicians' careers, but Roy being in Kamelot and Tore being in Ark is a great thing. And they are "placed perfectly" in both bands. Kamelot don't trash out,they have style, so that's why I think that Roy is great for Kamelot. They have a lot of songs based on emotion which Roy can perfectly adjust to. And now here it comes. Ripper Owens: I cannot, sorry, imagine Ripper being Kamelot's frontman. That, for me, would be like Britney Spears fronting Judas Priest. Totally out of place. MY personal opinion. Then Kamelot would turn into something *scratches head* hmmm... Ripper, for me, is the "screamer", transporting aggression and stuff like that in a song. Sure, he would be able to mutate into something like a singer with deep emotion and feeling, yet I highly doubt that he would like to do that. He is different. He is a great singer, very much powerful, yet, Kamelot with Ripper. I'd like to see that live. Must be some experience.

The studio thing. Yes, I have been to many recording studios in my live, and I know the "miracles" that can happen there. I've also seen some in the making, oh dear. LOL
Which leads me to saying: that's why a band (if I get the chance to check them out live, of course, later) for me has to prove to me that they are as great live as well as on a studio album. I have already mentioned at various spots that I am very, very picky when it comes to music, so obviously a great studio output doesn't make a great band for me, yet sometimes there are a few exceptions, of course.

Anyways, each and every frontman / musician is good in his own right and what they do, and it is great that we all don't have the same tastes.

I hope you didn't feel offended in what I was stating earlier.
I highly respect everyone's personal opinion, as a sidenote, and I'm far from bashing anyone having a different one.
 
Originally posted by Lady Of The Snow
@ †Russel Allen†®

I hope you didn't feel offended in what I was stating earlier.
I highly respect everyone's personal opinion, as a sidenote, and I'm far from bashing anyone having a different one.
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My two cents about this statement is that your response back at me earlier was stated in such a way that I took it as being an offensive smart ass remark. This was why I asked you what the purpose of it was and truth be told you never gave a reason.

I also think that Khan sounds better in Conception then in Kamelot and this opinion could be tainted because I don't like Kamelot's musical style.
 
Originally posted by Liquid Tension


My two cents about this statement is that your response back at me earlier was stated in such a way that I took it as being an offensive smart ass remark. This was why I asked you what the purpose of it was and truth be told you never gave a reason.

I also think that Khan sounds better in Conception then in Kamelot and this opinion could be tainted because I don't like Kamelot's musical style.
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Offensive smart ass remark... Sorry, you felt offended. My sarcasm (I'm highly sarcastic, due to experience LOL) sometimes takes over, but it was meant as a funny comment. A lot of ppl have trouble with my comments...oh my...

Help me on this: I never gave a reason? I think, I have responded to you.

You're right by saying Roy sounds better in Conception, of course. But the good old Conception times are definitely over, unfortunately. I wish, they'd reform. That would be one of the best comebacks ever.
 
Lady of snow,

With all of your experience you must realize that being "highly sarcastic" can and will easily be interpreted as being offensive?

Thanks for answering my question and I guess that we'll all have to remeber that you're not to be taken seriously. lol
 
Originally posted by †Russel Allen†®


First of all...
:eek:
hehehe...

I didn't mean to disconsider Kamelot... I like Kamelot a lot... (duh... hehehe!)

But...

ALL my opinions are based on things that I've already experienced. I have 2 Kamelot CDs (Karma & 4th Legacy), and I never said that the band sucks!!!!!!!! Not at all!!! Kamelot is definitely on my TOP-10 metal bands!!! I've heard the old Kamelot CDs with the other singer, and I think that he's better than Khan! Period! Khan hasn't a little bit of energy on his voice, nor feeling... but you've gotta see that this is MY opinion... my conception of what the voices of Mr. Allen and Mr. Khan causes in me! But............ Kamelot songs (instrumentally speaking) is other story... there is they DO have a lot of energy, Mr. Youngblood is a f#cking guitarrist!! So is the keyplayer, so is the bassist, so is the drummer... :-) Once more, I didn't say that Kamelot sucks in the whole thing... it's just Mr. Khan that, in MY opinion, is a little "off-place" over there... I can imagine a singer like Ripper Owens singin' in Kamelot... or, a singer with the same energy that Owens have... got it now?!?!?!?! :-)

Ohh, and... aahmm... another thing...

In studio, miracles can happen, you know?!?! Have you ever been in a recording studio before?!?! They can adjust your voice, mix, equalize, in a way that it can sound as powerful as Mr. Allen's!!! So... to me, at least, the efficiency and the "handicap" of a singer, or a musician, is more in his live presentation than in his studio performance. Remember, Blind Guardian could never perform live all those guitar choirs that Andre Olbrich and Mr. Siepen does... even Hansi Kürsch sounds really awful in live performances... :-)
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I think you havent listened to Karma and Fourt Legacy, becouse if you already have, you would not say things like: "Roy lack of feeling" "He hasnt energy in his voice". What can you tell me about song like Dont you Cry, Karma, Nights of Arabia, and Forever?

"In studio, miracles can happen" Roy doesnt need miracles, his voice is natural and great.

We are talking about Kamelot nor Blind Guardian, ok?

Luis
 
Hey... I'd NEVER get offended nor misunderstand the Lady of the Snow... not at all... it's one of my favourite ballads ever!! Heheheh! Kiddin'... no, Lady of the Snow, I'd never be offended by your comments, we're here in a great and very cool webforum, discussing things related to music, so that's perfect normal some "different points of view" among people here, u know?! :-) That is absolutely normal... :-) I parcitipate in other heavy-metal forums here in Brazil, and people here use to be a lot unpolite, actually! If you get in one, sometime (I don't know if U speak portuguese...) you'll see what I'm talkin' about... so that's why I like this forum a lot, and the people who post in here! :-) I rather have different points of view, or different opinions, and keep a healthy discussion... :-)
 
@†Russel Allen†®

Thanks. Hehe, so my nick saves me *whew*

Seriously, I'm always trying to be polite, respecting people's opinions, and IMO a healthy dose of sarcasm and fun, also trying to get some personal points across is what keeps a healthy discussion (like you said) going. And I didn't mind the "other" comment either. If I'm not being taken seriously, well, tough.

I like this forum very much too.
Unfortunately, I don't speak portugese, only german and english.

Have a nICE day.
 
Originally posted by Bumblefoot



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH oh my god i just vomited all over myself fro extreme laughter and dissapointment. you call yourself a music lover?!?!? god damn...
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Settle down, buddy. It's my opinion, that's all. I gave them an honest listen a few days ago and heard nothing impressive.

You like them, I don't. No big deal.
 
Originally posted by Hwangman


Settle down, buddy. It's my opinion, that's all. I gave them an honest listen a few days ago and heard nothing impressive.

You like them, I don't. No big deal.
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nono you see.... everyone HAS to love Opeth. They are the only band i will ever say that about, but everyone has to. And one day is not enough to listen. I had one album for a month and thought it sucked... listened to it one night in bed as i was drifting off to sleep and SHIT MYSELF at how good it was and couldn't understand how i missed that the whole first month i listened to it. They are simply too good to not like, it only takes time but i know everyone loves them, they have to. you must trust me on that. Go buy morningrise and try listening to it alone at night... it will fuck your shit up i promise. that is the most holy piece of music in existance.

and yes of course i love Dream Theater, Symph X, evergrey, Gordian Knot, Rush, Yes, etc. etc. I am not just some spammer who only listens to tr00 black metal and death metal comming here to piss off people.
 
Originally posted by Bumblefoot
I had one album for a month and thought it sucked... listened to it one night in bed as i was drifting off to sleep and SHIT MYSELF at how good it was and couldn't understand how i missed that the whole first month i listened to it. They are simply too good to not like, it only takes time but i know everyone loves them, they have to. you must trust me on that. Go buy morningrise and try listening to it alone at night... it will fuck your shit up i promise. that is the most holy piece of music in existance.
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hehe this is gonna sound funny but I Love OPETH... and I must tell you that your DAMN Right!.. :grin: 1st time I listened to Opeth, I was like what the hell is this freaking shit??.. but then I Listened it when I was in bed trying to sleep... and YES! I was kinda BLOWN! :eek: It was iscrendible ... no doubt IT only needs to be listened With calm and Alone.. with nothing that can take your attention ;)

Anyways... With SyX is another story heh I was blown away 1st time I listened Of Sins and Shadows! :D but that everyone knows about it heh :lol:

Greetings!
PS : yes and I think Morningrise is their best CD :grin: :rock:
 
Originally posted by Luis
I belive these bands are the greatest in this planet, they are much better than groups such as DreamTheater, Rhapsody or BlinGuardian.

Is not my personal idea, i have talked with many persons about this, and they share my opinion.
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I agree that Kamelot is the best!:grin: I love Karma, and I'm waiting their new album... :p SymphonyX is great, but too "heavy" to me, if you understand... ;)
 
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