the definitive discussioning of genre definitions discussion

[SentinelSlain]

I don't think British steel or Sin after Sin are power metal.


edit @ NoobSaibot

 

[challenge_everything]

what do you guys think about the metal genre chart that was used in the Headbangers Journey documentary? Too many mistakes or it good enough?
Link:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y60/impheris/Metal_Genealogy-1.jpg

LOL at Cradle of Filth being called "Norwegian Black Metal"

 

[Onder]

The whole NWOAM term is ridiculous tbh.

 

[challenge_everything]

-from hardcore primarily but metal is an influence
-no although obviously they often overlap
-fucking billions lol
-suffo and co
-one is metal and the other is not
-some of it rules, not all of it sounds like someone swallowing a blender

nwoahm is a sweeping term for shit mainstream US metal like shadows fall and trivium

sorry im feeling pretty lazy

Since when is grind not metal? This is an actual question, not sarcasm. I don't listen to a lot of grind, but I always thought it was within the genre

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

Early grindcore is punk.

 

[Omni]

Grindcore has metal influences for sure, but it's at least equal parts other things, so it's debatable whether or not it actually is metal.

 

[Vossyrus]

LOL at Cradle of Filth being called "Norwegian Black Metal"

Just glancing at it again now, Opeth is listed under "goth metal."

Also, NIN is industrial metal and is Marilyn Manson apparently...I'm just going to stop looking now.

 

[Vinder]

Grindcore has metal influences for sure, but it's at least equal parts other things, so it's debatable whether or not it actually is metal.

I need to see this debate.

 

[Omni]

Why? It will just be a boring argument between people calling it metal and people calling it a combination of metal and the other genres that it shows influences from. Nobody cares.

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

Seriously.

 

[Vinder]

Because I'm still confused about this. Oh well, it's highly unlikely anyone here is about to debate it.

 

[Omni]

What's confusing about it? I think it's easy to understand and has been adequately explained already.

 

[Vinder]

So... early grindcore wasn't metal but the the later grindcore bands are?

 

[cookiecutter]

I don't think pure grind from any time can be called metal but there is a lot of similarity and overlap so the line can be fuzzy at times.

 

[challenge_everything]

Seems like a cop-out to me. Bands like Napalm Death and Repulsion always cited Celtic Frost, Venom, Sodom, Slayer etc as much as they cited Discharge, Minor Threat etc. But you can only get so far through influences. I'm more interested in a reason, stylistically/structurally, why grind does or does not fall within the definition of metal. Particularly bands that use predominantly blastbeats would seem to me to fall within metal, because in contrast punk has always predominantly relied on fast rock rhythms.

 

[Satanstoenail]

Blastbeats were first used as a defining characteristic of grindcore, not metal. As extreme music evolved in the late eighties, the two genres influenced and borrowed from each other and grindcore became less a bastardised version of hardcore and more a subgenre of metal.

 

[challenge_everything]

I get that. I wasn't mentioning blastbeats to say "blastbeats are metal, therefore any music that uses blastbeats is metal", but rather "blastbeats are not rock, punk is (essentially) rock-based, therefore music that uses blastbeats is not punk". QED.

 

[slowlywerot]

I hate screamo. But emos are now so anti-metal they are crediting grunge for their shitty 'music'. Question being, where the fuck did screamo come from?

 

[cookiecutter]

Hardcore

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

The term emo is literally extremely fucking misappropriated.