Goreripper
Metal as fuck
I was of the same opinion. But apparently I don't know anything about history, politics, the economy, immigration or anything, so I could be and probably am wrong.Mark said:
the election, and stuff..
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Mark
Not blessed, or merciful
Goreripper
Metal as fuck
Winmar, I'm not an 'it's election time' so it's time to follow politics. I research and follow it every day. My veiws are mine and anything I claim, I provide facts.
As far as the PMRC, it was run by left wing Washington Wives whose leader was the wife of America's most high profile left wing mainstream politician.
Did you not all see Dee Snider campaining with Arnie and the Republicans? That was cool!!!
As far as the PMRC, it was run by left wing Washington Wives whose leader was the wife of America's most high profile left wing mainstream politician.
Did you not all see Dee Snider campaining with Arnie and the Republicans? That was cool!!!
Censorship: Ask my wife what it was like living in a Socialist left wing country where it was illegal for her to even listen to Metal. Where Metal was a bad Western influence on society and therefore illegal. Where opinions could lead you to jail, torture or death.
PS. Well, well... it's just been revealed that Mr. Lathams Medicare Gold can't work. Surprise, surprise... Not by the Libs but the AMA who said the ALP is trying to 'doop' the public. Not a positive sign from an organisation that can be critical of the Libs and here they are calling Labors policy a sham.
PS. Well, well... it's just been revealed that Mr. Lathams Medicare Gold can't work. Surprise, surprise... Not by the Libs but the AMA who said the ALP is trying to 'doop' the public. Not a positive sign from an organisation that can be critical of the Libs and here they are calling Labors policy a sham.
But many of your 'facts' have been proven in this thread to be full of shit, Steve.
Also, it is possible to be left-wing without wishing to turn a country into a communist state. You seem to be struggling to get your head around that one.
Thirdly, I've lived in a capitalist former dictatorship, where there's no social security, and miniscule public assistance. Where is your beloved capitalism when people can't afford to eat, have to pull their kids out of school before they finish primary school, and die because they can't afford to pay for a hospital bed?
As far as housing is concerned, what use are low (though not by current world standards) interest rates when you are almost certain never to own your own house?
Croatians are no better or worse than Vietnamese, so don't try to make out they/you are. As for your marvellous soccer team, the Melbourne Knights are just flying now, aren't they?
If this appalling govt had the interests of the East Timorese at heart, they wouldn't be trying to fight over gas with them. They only think in dollar terms.
Also, it is possible to be left-wing without wishing to turn a country into a communist state. You seem to be struggling to get your head around that one.
Thirdly, I've lived in a capitalist former dictatorship, where there's no social security, and miniscule public assistance. Where is your beloved capitalism when people can't afford to eat, have to pull their kids out of school before they finish primary school, and die because they can't afford to pay for a hospital bed?
As far as housing is concerned, what use are low (though not by current world standards) interest rates when you are almost certain never to own your own house?
Croatians are no better or worse than Vietnamese, so don't try to make out they/you are. As for your marvellous soccer team, the Melbourne Knights are just flying now, aren't they?
If this appalling govt had the interests of the East Timorese at heart, they wouldn't be trying to fight over gas with them. They only think in dollar terms.
Again, you fail to distinguish between extremeism and the type of policies left-wingers here advocate. Please, find me one person in Australia, other than some right-wing churchy type who would try to stop anyone from listening to metal. The left here is all about tolerance; the right is all about division.MetalWarriorSteve said:
Celestial-Todd
The Incredible Bulk
It's actually a quite well known fact that powerful factions within the US and Soviet governments were just itching to launch all out war with each other for a long fucking time. I'm talking before the advent of nuclear weapons and the cold war as well. The only reason they didn't was they had M.A.D (Mutually Assured Destruction). Both sides knew that no matter who attacked first, they'd both be wiped off the face of earth.MetalWarriorSteve said:
Oh and there was the matter of that pesky little German guy named Adolf.
Goreripper
Metal as fuck
Um, dude, this post is confusing. MAD was because of the advent of nuclear weapons. Without both sides having nukes, there isn't really MAD.Celestial-Todd said:
Celestial-Todd
The Incredible Bulk
Oops, my bad... forgot I mentioned MAD. The point still stands though, all out war between Russia and the US would have virtually wiped them both out. There wouldn't have been a clear winner (and nuclear weapons made sure of that)
Winmar says:
> But many of your 'facts' have been proven in this thread to be full of
shit, Steve.
Steve says: How, by you saying they are full of shit? How constructive of you..
Winmar> Also, it is possible to be left-wing without wishing to turn a country
into a communist state. You seem to be struggling to get your head around
that one.
Government owned and run = no competition = no choice = poor service =
unstisfied customers. Excluding everyone but Union members is left wing,
whether it be moderate left, Socialist or Communist and I'm against that.
Winmar> Thirdly, I've lived in a capitalist former dictatorship, where there's no
social security, and miniscule public assistance. Where is your beloved
capitalism when people can't afford to eat, have to pull their kids out of
school before they finish primary school, and die because they can't afford
to pay for a hospital bed?
Steve says: Gimme a break! I never see people from Western/Capitalist countries seeking
refuge in Cuba, China or North Korea or in the Soviet Union or Yugoslavia
back in the day. People fled those countries to be given the chance at life
in places like North America, Australia and Western Europe. If it was so bad,
why would all these people seek refuge in these countries?
Winmar says: > As far as housing is concerned, what use are low (though not by current
world standars) interest rates when you are almost certain never to own your
own house?
Steve says: If you live in OZ, you can own a home. Here in the West, you can buy a home for
as little as $140,000. With a government grant and a small deposit, it won't
cost you anymore then rent.
Winmar: > Croatians are no better or worse than Vietnamese, so don't try to make out
they/you are. As for your marvellous soccer team, the Melbourne Knights are
just flying now, aren't they?
Steve says: Here we go. Word twisting. I don't think you are reading what I am saying
properly. If the ALP offered entry to as many Croatians as they did
Vietnamese on a first come first served basis, Croatians, Italians, Greeks,
Chileans or any nationality for that matter would be just as bad if you
never carefully watched the individuals you are letting in. I never implied
that all Vietnamese were bad. Again, I repeat myself... I have a respect for
those who fled the communist regime.
I don't respect those that exploit this
country. They just happen to be in the majority because they were the
majority that migrated in that period where I think there should have been
control over who was coming in and it should have been balanced.
Melbourne Croatia Soccer Club is just fine. Australian Soccer wants to kill
off ethnic teams? Well, it won't happen. They may try it by folding the
National league but it won't make a difference.
It's unlikely any new league will survive without the ethnic clubs. In the meantime
we'll be enjoying hitting it out with the other etnic clubs in the State League. We
own everything at our club. Our assets outweigh our debts by 4 to 1. The future
is bright and my sons team is kicking butt. Undefeated Champions!!!
So all the Croatian boys from our club are leaving to play for the Croatian National team.
Pissing off the OZ coach Farina... they betrayed OZ Soccer who developed them he reckons?
Well, newsflash: These players were developed by Melbourne 'Croatia' Knights and
Sydney 'Croatia' United. OZ Soccer has tried to kill these clubs off and some of our
boys are not happy about it! Australia is losing it's best players to countries like Croatia
and Italy.
Even my son is saying he wants to play for Croatia when he grows up and not Australia.
My beloved club is and always will be strong. Sorry to disapoint you.
AND back to politics. The AMA issued a statement that the Medicare Gold package is
undeliverable. It can't work. That's an Independent Medical Association... AND
The Iraqi government has just thanked Australia for it's military support.
These people are thankful for being liberated and that's what matters most!
Steve
> But many of your 'facts' have been proven in this thread to be full of
shit, Steve.
Steve says: How, by you saying they are full of shit? How constructive of you..
Winmar> Also, it is possible to be left-wing without wishing to turn a country
into a communist state. You seem to be struggling to get your head around
that one.
Government owned and run = no competition = no choice = poor service =
unstisfied customers. Excluding everyone but Union members is left wing,
whether it be moderate left, Socialist or Communist and I'm against that.
Winmar> Thirdly, I've lived in a capitalist former dictatorship, where there's no
social security, and miniscule public assistance. Where is your beloved
capitalism when people can't afford to eat, have to pull their kids out of
school before they finish primary school, and die because they can't afford
to pay for a hospital bed?
Steve says: Gimme a break! I never see people from Western/Capitalist countries seeking
refuge in Cuba, China or North Korea or in the Soviet Union or Yugoslavia
back in the day. People fled those countries to be given the chance at life
in places like North America, Australia and Western Europe. If it was so bad,
why would all these people seek refuge in these countries?
Winmar says: > As far as housing is concerned, what use are low (though not by current
world standars) interest rates when you are almost certain never to own your
own house?
Steve says: If you live in OZ, you can own a home. Here in the West, you can buy a home for
as little as $140,000. With a government grant and a small deposit, it won't
cost you anymore then rent.
Winmar: > Croatians are no better or worse than Vietnamese, so don't try to make out
they/you are. As for your marvellous soccer team, the Melbourne Knights are
just flying now, aren't they?
Steve says: Here we go. Word twisting. I don't think you are reading what I am saying
properly. If the ALP offered entry to as many Croatians as they did
Vietnamese on a first come first served basis, Croatians, Italians, Greeks,
Chileans or any nationality for that matter would be just as bad if you
never carefully watched the individuals you are letting in. I never implied
that all Vietnamese were bad. Again, I repeat myself... I have a respect for
those who fled the communist regime.
I don't respect those that exploit this
country. They just happen to be in the majority because they were the
majority that migrated in that period where I think there should have been
control over who was coming in and it should have been balanced.
Melbourne Croatia Soccer Club is just fine. Australian Soccer wants to kill
off ethnic teams? Well, it won't happen. They may try it by folding the
National league but it won't make a difference.
It's unlikely any new league will survive without the ethnic clubs. In the meantime
we'll be enjoying hitting it out with the other etnic clubs in the State League. We
own everything at our club. Our assets outweigh our debts by 4 to 1. The future
is bright and my sons team is kicking butt. Undefeated Champions!!!
So all the Croatian boys from our club are leaving to play for the Croatian National team.
Pissing off the OZ coach Farina... they betrayed OZ Soccer who developed them he reckons?
Well, newsflash: These players were developed by Melbourne 'Croatia' Knights and
Sydney 'Croatia' United. OZ Soccer has tried to kill these clubs off and some of our
boys are not happy about it! Australia is losing it's best players to countries like Croatia
and Italy.
Even my son is saying he wants to play for Croatia when he grows up and not Australia.
My beloved club is and always will be strong. Sorry to disapoint you.
AND back to politics. The AMA issued a statement that the Medicare Gold package is
undeliverable. It can't work. That's an Independent Medical Association... AND
The Iraqi government has just thanked Australia for it's military support.
These people are thankful for being liberated and that's what matters most!
Steve
Goreripper
Metal as fuck
MetalWarriorSteve said:
Perhaps not, but you did say this:
MetalWarriorSteve said:
and this:
MetalWarriorSteve said:
That is NOT a fact. 80% of immigrants "under Labor" were not from Asia. According to the census figures, the region of origin of the highest number of migrants to Australia in 1991 - 1992 (under Keating) was Europe and the former USSR, with 25%. SE Asia (including Vietnam) accounted for only 20%. According to figures I found on a UNESCO site, under Whitlam between 1974 - 1975, the highest percentage of migrants (42.2%) came from Ireland and the UK. Under Hawke between 1984 - 1985, the highest percentage of migrants came from the UK (14.9%), NZ (11.6%) and Vietnam (10.9%). The percentage for the whole of Asia for the period 1984 - 1985 was only 32%. Under Keating, the percentage of migrants from Vietnam had dropped to only 7.4%. This is a far cry from your claim of 80%.
MetalWarriorsSteve said:
That reads like it's about Indonesia to me. Perhaps if the Australian LIBERAL government had done more to stop East Timor being invaded in the first place, then we wouldn't have had to go there 24 years later and help with the liberation process.
And please stop saying I have "issues" with you. I don't have issues with you at all, unless you're saying boneheaded things. Just because I criticise you at times, doesn't mean I have an issue with you.
Goreripper
Metal as fuck
Under the ALP in 1993 - 94, the percentage of migrant intake from the former Yugoslav Republic was 7% - only 0.8% less than those coming from Vietnam. If you want to know where I got these figures, you can check them here:MetalWarriorSteve said:
http://www.unesco.org/most/apmrnwp5.htm
Mark
Not blessed, or merciful
The Iraqi government has been doing a lot of thanking lately - particularly those countries who have government, or hopefully opposition governments, that have spoke about pulling out (Poland plan to be completely out of there by the end of 2005).
Personally I hate politics. And I understand how in other countries there are huges differences between who gets into power, but that isn't the case in Australia.
As has been mentioned, the differences in Australia between one party and the other are margianal. It ain't like this election outcome will tear the nation apart or cause a civil war like has happened in Vietnam, Korea or the Balkan states, or make the world wanna declare war on us like in Germany under the Nazi party or Vietnam under the Communists either.
The outcome of the election will barely even directly affect how any of us live our day to day life and I know it won't affect mine at all. No matter who gets into power, I'm still gonna have all the same freedoms & rights I have always had, that ain't gonna change. I'll still be able to enjoy all the things in life I enjoy, I'll still be able to find work, I'll still have the freedom to live my life how I want... these things won't change in Australia. Compared to most of the rest of the world we're in a fucking good situation.
So personally I'm not too fussed about it! Hell, if one of them says they'll remove whatever that tariff is that will make imported whiskeys from the US cheaper if its gone, then I'll vote for them coz its the only thing that will probably have any direct impact on me!
As has been mentioned, the differences in Australia between one party and the other are margianal. It ain't like this election outcome will tear the nation apart or cause a civil war like has happened in Vietnam, Korea or the Balkan states, or make the world wanna declare war on us like in Germany under the Nazi party or Vietnam under the Communists either.
The outcome of the election will barely even directly affect how any of us live our day to day life and I know it won't affect mine at all. No matter who gets into power, I'm still gonna have all the same freedoms & rights I have always had, that ain't gonna change. I'll still be able to enjoy all the things in life I enjoy, I'll still be able to find work, I'll still have the freedom to live my life how I want... these things won't change in Australia. Compared to most of the rest of the world we're in a fucking good situation.
So personally I'm not too fussed about it! Hell, if one of them says they'll remove whatever that tariff is that will make imported whiskeys from the US cheaper if its gone, then I'll vote for them coz its the only thing that will probably have any direct impact on me!
Steve here... My reply on your question about not answering. My PC is crashing every few
minutes so my replies are either not getting through or getting through
late.
Government owned and run = no competition = no choice = poor service =
unstisfied customers. Excluding everyone but Union members is left wing,
whether it be moderate left, Socialist or Communist and I'm against that.
Winmar> Which is why Connex have needed Vic govt help of late. And hasn't the
privatisation of the Commonwealth Bank just been great for consumers? And
Telstra for country folk. It is possible to have a govt controlled business
operating at market rates against non-government competitors you know.
I'm referring to government owning all industry and business. Testra was
expensive as fuck until telecommunications opened to competition. I now have
choice between Telstra or Optus. Theres AAPT and Primus and so on... That's
what I am getting at. We are all WAY better off for it. Telstra is not yet
fully privately owned and I also believe laws need to be imposed to protect
consumers. If this is the case, privatisation is great.
When I bring up Optus, I don't mean when it was introduced but when it was
free from having to hire lines from Telstra. Real competition.
In reference to Connex.... well, maybe the govt. can buy it back for a
fraction of what it was sold for and then resell it again. hehe... Better the company runs
at a loss then the taxpayer, no?
Winmar> Errrrr....what the hell are you on about here? What you wrote has no
relation to what I wrote.
It does. Complaining about living in a Capitalist country. I'm sure a Cuban would be happy to swap
witth you or even someone from Siberia would choose to live in that Capitalist country anytime.
Winmar> Who says we all want to live in the west? I certainly don't. The chances
of me owning a home in this country are miniscule.
Well, don't imply you can't own a home. If you want to be a homeowner, it's
possible. You choose to be selective.
Winmar> Who's twisting words now? I never implied that you implied that all
Vietnamese were bad. Again, see Goreripper's quote of yours above.
You quoted: 'Croatians are no better or worse than Vietnamese, so don't try
to make out they/you are'. What is that meant to imply then?
Winmar> These ethnic teams are the reason the game hasn't caught on with
non-"ethnics". When you go to a Knights-Hellas game in Melbourne,
Australia, and have people chanting "Croatia, Croatia", you know you don't
belong there. They've never managed to get the NSL right - hopefully
they'll do a better job in future.
Well, follow the non-ethnic clubs. We made and paid for the club and it's a
Croatian club and the real name is Melbourne Croatia. That's why we chant
Croatia, Croatia and not Knights, Knights. Everyone is welcome but we should
be entitled to a 'Croatian' club. Like I mentioned, it's been a way of
expressing our identity. Why should we be denied the right? That's racism.
Winmar> If people don't want to play for Australia they can be my guest and go
elsewhere, like Jelena Dokic. Nobody's crying to see the back of her.
Australia gains more overseas sportsmen/women than it loses.
Not in Soccer.
Winmar> Unlike the conservative policy, which is..............??? Oh yes, to
subsidise the profits of private companies and run the state-controlled
system down. Yeah, good one!
Yep... good one...
Winmar> I see, so the puppet US-appointed interim Iraqi government has thanked us.
Well I don't know about anyone else, but I'm astonished. I never ever would
have predicted that.
Yeah, yeah... As I'd expect you to say...
70% of people in Iraq support the liberation.
Most of them probably hate the Yanks but The Kurds and others are now free of Saddam.
That's a big step for them.
> They must be very glad to be liberated, especially those maimed in suicide
> or US bombs. Life in Iraq has never been so good!
The suicide bombs are by the people they are being liberated from making a last ditch
effort and even 100 years of War will never end up in more death then Saddam caused every
few years.
minutes so my replies are either not getting through or getting through
late.
Government owned and run = no competition = no choice = poor service =
unstisfied customers. Excluding everyone but Union members is left wing,
whether it be moderate left, Socialist or Communist and I'm against that.
Winmar> Which is why Connex have needed Vic govt help of late. And hasn't the
privatisation of the Commonwealth Bank just been great for consumers? And
Telstra for country folk. It is possible to have a govt controlled business
operating at market rates against non-government competitors you know.
I'm referring to government owning all industry and business. Testra was
expensive as fuck until telecommunications opened to competition. I now have
choice between Telstra or Optus. Theres AAPT and Primus and so on... That's
what I am getting at. We are all WAY better off for it. Telstra is not yet
fully privately owned and I also believe laws need to be imposed to protect
consumers. If this is the case, privatisation is great.
When I bring up Optus, I don't mean when it was introduced but when it was
free from having to hire lines from Telstra. Real competition.
In reference to Connex.... well, maybe the govt. can buy it back for a
fraction of what it was sold for and then resell it again. hehe... Better the company runs
at a loss then the taxpayer, no?
Winmar> Errrrr....what the hell are you on about here? What you wrote has no
relation to what I wrote.
It does. Complaining about living in a Capitalist country. I'm sure a Cuban would be happy to swap
witth you or even someone from Siberia would choose to live in that Capitalist country anytime.
Winmar> Who says we all want to live in the west? I certainly don't. The chances
of me owning a home in this country are miniscule.
Well, don't imply you can't own a home. If you want to be a homeowner, it's
possible. You choose to be selective.
Winmar> Who's twisting words now? I never implied that you implied that all
Vietnamese were bad. Again, see Goreripper's quote of yours above.
You quoted: 'Croatians are no better or worse than Vietnamese, so don't try
to make out they/you are'. What is that meant to imply then?
Winmar> These ethnic teams are the reason the game hasn't caught on with
non-"ethnics". When you go to a Knights-Hellas game in Melbourne,
Australia, and have people chanting "Croatia, Croatia", you know you don't
belong there. They've never managed to get the NSL right - hopefully
they'll do a better job in future.
Well, follow the non-ethnic clubs. We made and paid for the club and it's a
Croatian club and the real name is Melbourne Croatia. That's why we chant
Croatia, Croatia and not Knights, Knights. Everyone is welcome but we should
be entitled to a 'Croatian' club. Like I mentioned, it's been a way of
expressing our identity. Why should we be denied the right? That's racism.
Winmar> If people don't want to play for Australia they can be my guest and go
elsewhere, like Jelena Dokic. Nobody's crying to see the back of her.
Australia gains more overseas sportsmen/women than it loses.
Not in Soccer.
Winmar> Unlike the conservative policy, which is..............??? Oh yes, to
subsidise the profits of private companies and run the state-controlled
system down. Yeah, good one!
Yep... good one...
Winmar> I see, so the puppet US-appointed interim Iraqi government has thanked us.
Well I don't know about anyone else, but I'm astonished. I never ever would
have predicted that.
Yeah, yeah... As I'd expect you to say...
70% of people in Iraq support the liberation.
Most of them probably hate the Yanks but The Kurds and others are now free of Saddam.
That's a big step for them.
> They must be very glad to be liberated, especially those maimed in suicide
> or US bombs. Life in Iraq has never been so good!
The suicide bombs are by the people they are being liberated from making a last ditch
effort and even 100 years of War will never end up in more death then Saddam caused every
few years.
(Goreripper) That is NOT a fact. 80% of immigrants "under Labor" were not from Asia. According to the census figures, the region of origin of the highest number of migrants to Australia in 1991 - 1992 (under Keating) was Europe and the former USSR, with 25%. SE Asia (including Vietnam) accounted for only 20%. According to figures I found on a UNESCO site, under Whitlam between 1974 - 1975, the highest percentage of migrants (42.2%) came from Ireland and the UK. Under Hawke between 1984 - 1985, the highest percentage of migrants came from the UK (14.9%), NZ (11.6%) and Vietnam (10.9%). The percentage for the whole of Asia for the period 1984 - 1985 was only 32%. Under Keating, the percentage of migrants from Vietnam had dropped to only 7.4%. This is a far cry from your claim of 80%.
This was in reference to a police report on my area. There was a period where the Govt. opened it doors to anyone from Vietnam on first come first served basis.
A lot of bad people came in and a lot moved into my area. This area is full of crime headed by Vietnamese gangs. After pressure, this was stopped soon after. In that short period, Europeans had to pay for their application and meet criteria. That was unfair... It was at the time when they were pushing closer relations with Asia and saying Australia was a part of Asia. That does not mean I am anti-Asian.
(Goreripper) That reads like it's about Indonesia to me. Perhaps if the Australian LIBERAL government had done more to stop East Timor being invaded in the first place, then we wouldn't have had to go there 24 years later and help with the liberation process.
Sure, that applies to any government. That's my whole point with places like Kurdistan in Iraq, Croatia, Bosna etc. If the French, Yanks and Brits never forced putting these nations under foreign rule, these Wars would not have just happened. That's why the US and allies owe it to these people, to return what is rightfully theirs.
This was in reference to a police report on my area. There was a period where the Govt. opened it doors to anyone from Vietnam on first come first served basis.
A lot of bad people came in and a lot moved into my area. This area is full of crime headed by Vietnamese gangs. After pressure, this was stopped soon after. In that short period, Europeans had to pay for their application and meet criteria. That was unfair... It was at the time when they were pushing closer relations with Asia and saying Australia was a part of Asia. That does not mean I am anti-Asian.
(Goreripper) That reads like it's about Indonesia to me. Perhaps if the Australian LIBERAL government had done more to stop East Timor being invaded in the first place, then we wouldn't have had to go there 24 years later and help with the liberation process.
Sure, that applies to any government. That's my whole point with places like Kurdistan in Iraq, Croatia, Bosna etc. If the French, Yanks and Brits never forced putting these nations under foreign rule, these Wars would not have just happened. That's why the US and allies owe it to these people, to return what is rightfully theirs.
Over and out... my PC keeps crashing and I've said my part so it's unlikely I'll continue to read further posts. Thanks to those of you that have displayed respect regardless of your position instead of using abusive tactics.
Cheers
Steve
Cheers
Steve
