The 'I love ProTools' thread

[James Murphy]

I forgot the word ''RAM''

So my question was How much RAM does pro tools use

Sorry hahaha

i'm guessing you mean something in Windows, at the OS level that shows RAM allocation, and not the actual PT Task Manager... because the PT Task Manager shows nothing at all unless there's some audio being searched or processed.

either way, i'd say it'a about as valid a criticism at the one i thought you had made... in any event, i'm sure that's user definable at the OS level, as well as dependent at least partly on buffer setting, cache setting, and other default settings under Playback Engine and other Setup menu settings at the PT level.

so... much ado 'bout nothin'

 

[LydonB]

noob question about beat detective...

im trying to learn how to use beat detective and i have a doubt

how do you recognize triplets?

i understand 4th 8th 16th 32th and 64th notes but i dont know how to recognize triplets (especially if they are in the middle of a different kind of note (example 32th notes))

how does a triplet sound?...could you explain it to me?
(if you can provide me with sound examples/songs it would be EXTREMELY helpful)

cheers ,
Mark.

Triplets are a group of three notes that fit in the space of two notes. Ex:Eighth note triplets contain 3 notes that take up one beat. Instead of having two notes, we just have three occupying the same amount of time.

When counting, I find it easiest to count them "trip-ah-let."

is a decent example of triplets. Mainly this is fill stuff but it kind of gives you an idea.

 

[AudioGeekZine]

I forgot the word ''RAM''

So my question was How much RAM does pro tools use

Sorry hahaha

PT caches all the plugins on the system when you start, one explanation of the high initial ram use. But then there's a memory leak in the code that still hasn't been fixed.

so on my system launching and starting a new session I see 363,652 K of RAM usage.
If you minimize it, drops to 8,200 k
bring it back up, 33,300 k

Its a weird bug on the Windows side
http://duc.digidesign.com/showthread.php?t=218046&highlight=ram+usage+minimise

Add a plugin, it jumps up to 400,000
minimise, drops down to 10,000
maximise, it goes up to 40,000

 

[James Murphy]

Its a weird bug on the Windows side:

yeah, definitely not an issue for me, running PT on a mac... and i'm curious if it's really much of an issue at all on the Windows side, other than for those fascinated with watching cpu meters... a habit most mac users have only rare occasion to even think of. RAM management is very good on Macs, and you needn't really ever even pay attention. it's still an issue for Windows though, so there's the discrepancy i guess.

 

[kaomao]

yeah PT on windows is a resource hog, especially with the latter versions.
Before in 6.4/6.9/7.0 I had many dverb active, now I can have less of them because sometimes even just one D-VERB pushes PT to the limit, you gotta unload it from memory and then (ctrl + windows key + mouse click on the plugin) load it back to normalize the ram / cpu usage .

 

[jangoux]

I currently use Nuendo 4 at the studio i work on and Cubase 4 studio at home. I also bought Logic 9 because i got SICK of editing drums on Cubendo, but with the hope that it could become another daw i could depend on. However, Logic is quite buggy and there are so many options for everything (EVERYTHING...even play and stop have at least 3 or 4 options for how they operate). So Logic has turned to be a tool for now, and i am trying to keep my patience with Cubendo. For some reason, it is not stable on Leopard AND snow leopard for me, and the lack of proper drum editing and flexible audio quantizing is killing it for me.

That being said, I am really curious to try pro tools someday. I've used it a few times, and it was too counter-intuitive for me. However, after reading this thread with you guys saying all good things about it I am really curious to try it someday again, with a more serious approach.

 

[James Murphy]

I've used it a few times, and it was too counter-intuitive for me.

for someone who's never used any DAW, PT is the most intuitive DAW of all time.. the best and easiest to start with and learn on... it only seems counter-intuitive to you because you've been using some very counter-intuitive DAWs prior to using PT.

 

[HandsOfDespair]

I currently use Nuendo 4 at the studio i work on and Cubase 4 studio at home. I also bought Logic 9 because i got SICK of editing drums on Cubendo, but with the hope that it could become another daw i could depend on. However, Logic is quite buggy and there are so many options for everything (EVERYTHING...even play and stop have at least 3 or 4 options for how they operate). So Logic has turned to be a tool for now, and i am trying to keep my patience with Cubendo. For some reason, it is not stable on Leopard AND snow leopard for me, and the lack of proper drum editing and flexible audio quantizing is killing it for me.

That being said, I am really curious to try pro tools someday. I've used it a few times, and it was too counter-intuitive for me. However, after reading this thread with you guys saying all good things about it I am really curious to try it someday again, with a more serious approach.

Give yourself 10-15 hours, watch some tutorials or have someone teach you, and you'll love pro tools.

 

[jangoux]

Exactly. I just need money to buy at least a M-Box. I've got a M-Audio Fast track, but for some reason, PT M-Powered doesnt recognize it as a valid device.

 

[C_F_H_13]

for someone who's never used any DAW, PT is the most intuitive DAW of all time.. the best and easiest to start with and learn on... it only seems counter-intuitive to you because you've been using some very counter-intuitive DAWs prior to using PT.

+1

It takes time. I've been a protools user for years and years, and am in the process on learning logic 9.....it SEEMS counter-intuitive as compared to PT, but the more I get into it, the more I realize there is a method to it's madness.

PT still kills it though IMHO.

 

[Ermz]

Yeah it seems PT is the only DAW even attempting to retain some of the analogue workflow traditions. Most DAWs consist of menu-diving mania. Let's not even go into those ones that require you to manually bind every key press, as if it's something that the end user should be worrying about. They should already be assigned to the most logical key combination, and ready to rock, so everybody who uses the platform knows the same shortcuts and doesn't need to screw with preferences and piss away time.

I was a bit flustered by PT, coming off Cubase, but having been mixing on analogue desks for several months prior to that, I realized that PT was much more intuitive and 'in tune' with what a professional engineer needs to be doing. None of this has changed since. Every other DAW seems geared at electronic guys/producers/composers etc. PT is the only DAW seemingly directly geared at the professional audio engineering community.

I just can't believe that in this day and age nobody has tried to match its feature set. It baffles me to no end.

 

[John_C]

Every other DAW seems geared at electronic guys/producers/composers etc.

Reaper is more geared at techies, and it's great in it's own special way. However i can't wait to get my hands on m-powered (which should be soon if a certain person logs in to read his pms!)

 

[jeid]

I'm just gonna put this out there, but if Pro Tools was a woman, I'd hit that til the cows came home!

Anyway, I loooove PT8. I was a 6.7 user at first and having never ever used a DAW before or, done any sort of mixing, it was pretty daunting to me. I switched to Cubase SX3 for a while but the more I read about PT, I just wanted to get back. I went to a studio this March and the guy was using PT8 and I watched him like a hawk, I loved the look, how the menus worked, the editing possibilities, the way he was editing the drums etc etc. I went home and immediately bought a 002 rack and a month or two later I got a Macbook. My recording/editing/mixing etc has all improved as I've been working in PT.

Using PT is like going back to school, everytime I use it I learn something new.

I dunno if this tip has been mentioned before, so I'll say it.

If you're punch recording with the Quick Punch option on, it starts recording the record enabled tracks as soon as you press play. So if your guy is playing along and you miss the actual punch in spot, no worries, it'll be there. You just gotta expand the region you just recorded I think this is old, but I do love that feature.

Also, just since this is the big old "I <3 PT" thread, anyone using an iMac with PT8 LE? I'm considering the 27" iMac with 2.66ghz quad core and wanted to know what people thought, or if I should get a Mac Pro? The iMac is more in my budget

 

[AudioGeekZine]

the only problem right now is with Snow Leopard and PT isn't fully ready for it. The 27" iMac looks fucking great to me.

 

[slayercannibalsuffohead]

Got PT8 LE on a 20inch imac with 4 gig ram, "FLAWLESS" is the word here. I have never used another DAW or another computer to write music on. I knew nothing about recording before February this year, and I must say PT8 + "SNEAPSTERS" = WIN! I went on the recommendations of Andy and James and am glad I did, hearing stuff from others about other DAWs was the final nail. As for the MAC, well, Im not starting anything here, but the choice was made easy after years on PCs doing web design, movie editing, graphic design, surfing porn etc etc, and then switching to mac to do the same thing was a breathe of fresh air. From the looks, to the way things operate, the imac has been brilliant. I think the PCs kick arse in the "freebie" department, but after another recommendation from James, Im glad I went down the MAC path. The shit thats bundled with the imacs are great too, for me, I could not be happier, its a WIN, WIN situation. I would not hesitate to recommend an iMAC + PT8 LE and registering here! Simple, efficient and a wealth of knowledge.

 

[Fragle]

i'm just left with one question, regarding protools LE:

how much effort is it to do a MIX on PT LE, especially due to the lack of delay compensation? i haven't had any first hand experience with LE, so i have no idea how much of a problem it is in a true real life situation?
i guess that le is just fine for tracking and editing, but would it be possible to switch to LE only or is it more reasonable to consolidate/export after all the editing is done and mix in another DAW that's not crippled in that respect?

 

[::XeS::]

It's not a big problem for me. It depends by what you use. If I have some plugin that adds delay, I only put timeadjuster on the other tracks, or you can create a bus with timeadjuster inserted and send the output of the tracks with no delay on this new bus. A little tricky but not too much.

 

[Fragle]

thanks for the answer! i've been searching the forum a bit more and it seems as if it's only a problem when doing parallel compression stuff, or within e.g. the drum group.

another question: when switching over to pro tools, would you guys recommend the LE, i.e. 002/003 or whatever route, or going m-powered, using basically anything m-audio that's PT compatible?
i'm not really asking about le vs m-powered, but more about the (dis)advantages of either route regarding the involved hardware.

i'm running an rme fireface right now, and i really do want to keep using it as it's just a great unit overall....and after some research this is what i found out so far:
going LE i'd have to get anything digidesign that has an adat i/o, so basically it's either 002 or 003 really.
for m-powered there are a number of choices it seems.....just getting an old 1814 off ebay should do the job i guess, but the profire lightbridge does seem tempting too, as it's not as limited as the 1814 in terms of i/o options.

any thoughts on that?
btw i don't mean to hijack the thread or anything, it's just that this thread got me really psyched about PT

 

[No More Beers]

MBoxes come with Le, Fragle

 

[AudioGeekZine]

Lightbridge sucks, I've heard so many complaints about it, go with a 2626 or 003. Anything you get will be limited to 18 simultaneous i/o
and I wouldn't go with the 1814 because it's discontinued.

I don't find the delay compensation to be a big pain at all, the plugs I use don't cause delay.

What's more of a pain for me is the realtime bounce