The Whining and Bitching Thread
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Einherjar86
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I'm almost positive that Mathias associates libertarian/free market ideas not with the 99%, but with the 1% (as do I).
No doubt you, Dak, would say that this is wrong; that the 1% aren't free market advocates at all, but advocates of a corporatist format that puts them in colludes with government institutions so as to protect the colossal amount of money that they have.
I'm also pretty sure that you feel committed to preserving the term "free market" and liberating it from its mystification and misuse by the 1%, so as to demonstrate its true applicability to the masses; but I think this is a misguided and pointless effort, a) because the term has been co-opted to such an extent as to become synonymous with elite wealth, and b) because free market attitudes are what led the 1% to justify their wealth in the first place.
I know you see the practices of the 1% as antithetical to a free market model, but it is precisely by pursuing a free market model that the 1% were able to accumulate the wealth they did. Government collusion can be bought; that's the point. And in a free market, wealthy bodies are free to buy the services of the government.
No doubt you, Dak, would say that this is wrong; that the 1% aren't free market advocates at all, but advocates of a corporatist format that puts them in colludes with government institutions so as to protect the colossal amount of money that they have.
I'm also pretty sure that you feel committed to preserving the term "free market" and liberating it from its mystification and misuse by the 1%, so as to demonstrate its true applicability to the masses; but I think this is a misguided and pointless effort, a) because the term has been co-opted to such an extent as to become synonymous with elite wealth, and b) because free market attitudes are what led the 1% to justify their wealth in the first place.
I know you see the practices of the 1% as antithetical to a free market model, but it is precisely by pursuing a free market model that the 1% were able to accumulate the wealth they did. Government collusion can be bought; that's the point. And in a free market, wealthy bodies are free to buy the services of the government.
Dak
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I thought we had agreed there hasn't been anything approaching a free market in the US in who knows when. I would say definitely not since 1913.
"It's a free market!" has certainly been used as a justification for rentseeking. Doesn't mean it(free market) exists or relates to the practices. Jihadists justify beheadings because Allah, and the US justifies torture because Freedom and the American Way!
It is a common practice to describe bad laws,misdeeds, etc in terms of their antithesis or a tangentially related positive "other". Patriot Act anyone?
Einherjar86
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I never said there was or has been.
I'm saying that the very same free market ideals that you espouse and advocate are the same free market ideals that the 1% espouse and advocate.
It has nothing to do with an actual free market appearing, but with what the values of a free market model are used for; and they have been used exhaustively by the wealthy elite.
I'm saying that the very same free market ideals that you espouse and advocate are the same free market ideals that the 1% espouse and advocate.
It has nothing to do with an actual free market appearing, but with what the values of a free market model are used for; and they have been used exhaustively by the wealthy elite.
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Attractive women who claim to be into metal.
They are either models or attracted to men with long hair. Without fail, these women are covered in tattoos and almost all of them are underdressed in their pictures. They pedal and sexualize the image to get attention. End of story.
Attractive women do not need something like metal to turn to when they're surrounded on all sides by the opposite sex from the time they're 12 years old. They don't understand what it's like to be anti-social and they don't know what it's like to be nerdy about something because they are and always have been preoccupied by male attention. Attractive women have a predisposition for a social life that doesn't require the personality perks that men need to stand out to women.
I don't buy these fakes for one single second.
They are either models or attracted to men with long hair. Without fail, these women are covered in tattoos and almost all of them are underdressed in their pictures. They pedal and sexualize the image to get attention. End of story.
Attractive women do not need something like metal to turn to when they're surrounded on all sides by the opposite sex from the time they're 12 years old. They don't understand what it's like to be anti-social and they don't know what it's like to be nerdy about something because they are and always have been preoccupied by male attention. Attractive women have a predisposition for a social life that doesn't require the personality perks that men need to stand out to women.
I don't buy these fakes for one single second.
Dak
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Depends on what you mean by "advocate" and "espouse". Given that those in the 1% nearly unanimously got there and/or attempt to stay there by promoting rentseeking policies, I don't see it. Companies will often make use of agenerally unregulated arena, and then upon seizing an advantage will then turn to government to wall them in, but not often under free market rhetoric. Amazon benefitted from no sales taxes on internet retail sales. Once they seized a commanding position, now they want internet retail sales taxed, as it hurts competitors much more than themselves not only due to scale/brand familiarity from the customer perspective, but because Amazon has the clout to turn around and exempt themselves in many ways anyway.
At best you could say that people support the market until they realize what worked for them could work as well for someone else, and so they seek to shut it down.
Edit: Just thought of another example in Elon Musk: Complains about rentseeking from old industry leaders blocking him, and seeks different rentseeking measures for himself in the auto industry and space industry. That he complains about other's rentseeking holding back his company isn't "advocating for a free market". He is just advocating for a changing of the guard.
The Ozzman
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There are attractive women who are into metal and actually have personalities and don't just listen to it to get attention
Krow
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And then you woke up.
Seriously though I guess I'll ruin my own joke and say yeah they exist. Got one or two floating around here...
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The notion of especially wanting to go out with a woman who is into metal reminds me of being 16 again. Haha. Slayer and Judas Priest were like my mythical guardian animals or something.
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That must be from planet of the apes. I always thought it was stupid that they only sent one woman with the crew. I know modern space flights often do that, but they have like, zero chance of landing on an inhabitable planet and surviving if things went wrong.
Einherjar86
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They haven't, I didn't say that. I mean, if some moon mission went awry, they'd probably just die or something, they wont get to land "somewhere else" and go native, so it doesn't matter irl.
rms
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Yeah, but the kind of people that spout his shit tend to suck at people, especially those of the opposite sex, so it's a bit hard to convince them of this.
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I won't deny my male-dominated interests have gained me points with dudes. But it was never on purpose, I grew up since age 2 living with only my nerdy dad and my guitarist brother, never had a positive female role model. These things need to be taken into consideration before you judge people.
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Yeah, but are you posting pictures of yourself provocatively to get attention or do you let your interests speak for themselves? HUGE difference there and I'm more likely to believe someone who does the latter.
People who think pornography is degrading/objectifying to women. I have one word as to why this notion makes those who believe that ignorant.
Fetishism.
There are hundreds upon hundred of fetishes. Some of these DO involve degradation. Degradation is different in the context of sexuality than it is in real life. People ENJOY this sort of thing including the porn stars themselves. I'm sure there are women and men who do not enjoy being porn stars but those men and women do not stay in the business for long.
Beyond that, just about every fetish in existence is addressed in porn. This is a business we're talking about here and those involved THINK about these things. Even the most shameful fetishes like pedophilia are represented in legal porn with alternatives (people who are of age that look younger, for example). Rape fantasies that people cannot find anyone to share with can watch consensual non-consent acted out in porn. This is a business that stops rape, child molestation, and people who commit suicide for living with fetishes they cannot ever act out. Anyone who thinks porn is destructive and wants to prevent it from being made and people from watching it is a bad person in my eyes.
People who think pornography is degrading/objectifying to women. I have one word as to why this notion makes those who believe that ignorant.
Fetishism.
There are hundreds upon hundred of fetishes. Some of these DO involve degradation. Degradation is different in the context of sexuality than it is in real life. People ENJOY this sort of thing including the porn stars themselves. I'm sure there are women and men who do not enjoy being porn stars but those men and women do not stay in the business for long.
Beyond that, just about every fetish in existence is addressed in porn. This is a business we're talking about here and those involved THINK about these things. Even the most shameful fetishes like pedophilia are represented in legal porn with alternatives (people who are of age that look younger, for example). Rape fantasies that people cannot find anyone to share with can watch consensual non-consent acted out in porn. This is a business that stops rape, child molestation, and people who commit suicide for living with fetishes they cannot ever act out. Anyone who thinks porn is destructive and wants to prevent it from being made and people from watching it is a bad person in my eyes.
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I've never found that porn was better than my own imagination, it's just easier when you're sat in front of a computer.
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