The Whining and Bitching Thread

I also got a credit cared when I turned 18. One of the worst decisions of my life.

I was under the impression all they bring is problems because my parents have ridiculous debt, but I am learning that a good score is pretty much mandatory. At least where I live. Wish it wasn't necessary because I pay for my own shit out of pocket responsibly. Car, school, everything. Zero debt. I save up and thought I could live life that way.

I owe my good habits with credit cards to my father, who taught me never (unless absolutely necessary) to borrow against the future, meaning avoid purchasing with a credit card what I could not afford buying with a debit card at the present moment. In a sense, all my credit card purchases remain simply a means to build credit.

I also built credit by using my credit card to go buy things for my parents, such as groceries, and then at the end of each month my father would transfer it all to my bank account. Also, having parents with stable finances is certainly a win.
 
I owe my good habits with credit cards to my father, who taught me never (unless absolutely necessary) to borrow against the future, meaning avoid purchasing with a credit card what I could not afford buying with a debit card at the present moment. In a sense, all my credit card purchases remain simply a means to build credit.

I also built credit by using my credit card to go buy things for my parents, such as groceries, and then at the end of each month my father would transfer it all to my bank account. Also, having parents with stable finances is certainly a win.

Yes make sure you add in these comments how you are a white rich entitled kid that never has to worry about his finances.

Credit cards are stupid and a way for the white man to keep you down and profit off a fake market.
 
The whole credit system is pretty fuckin retarded if you're the type of person who pays their bills and doesn't spend more than you have. But you need established history for things like an apartment or a car loan in my area, or risk paying way more if you're even accepted as a potential customer. Sure, I try to save money, but I can't pay a whole year's worth of rent or outright buy a running car if mine breaks down. I always have to have cash saved for the inevitable and keep my fingers crossed.

I've wracked my brain out of curiosity for a more efficient system of gauging a consumer's ability to pay back or calculate risk factors for particular leasees/ clients and can't think of any. It would be based purely on trust really, and I can't blame these enterprises for being wary.
 
My wife and I pay off our credit card bill every month. Fuck credit card debt. That said, it is possible to balance your budget while using a credit card, and it doesn't mean buying only what you can afford based on what's in your bank account. It means buying what you can afford based on what you know will be in your bank account.

Credit is a logical development of capital, there's no getting around it. We could blow up the company headquarters like they do in Fight Club, but they'll just build them back up again.
 
The credit system, without going too much in depth, is not retarded. Certainly there are problems with certain aspects of the modern financial system, of which credit is a part, but credit/interest are not some sort of inherently fucked up/evil thing. They can be a boon to both borrower and lender.

The biggest problem for credit is the manipulation of interest rates via central bank policy. Rates should occur based on actual supply and demand, rather than the central bank attempting to "spur demand" by dropping rates. This contributes to debt bubbles and everything else that goes along with them.

It is a non-starter of an argument, in my mind, to claim that credit is bad because some people might abuse it/be unable to handle it. Fuckin water needs to be handled properly or you might drink yourself to death.

As far as the pointlessness of credit for those who don't need it to "live beyond their means", this is incorrect. It's been sufficiently long enough since I read on the topic, so I don't remember the specific terminology, but how much money you have or can expect to have in the future essentially controls your (at least short term) purchasing power. If I have x$ amount and there is something I need anyway which happens to be on sale in bulk, but it uses the total of x$ amount, leaving me broke until a future date, I must pass on that deal and buy in the more expensive per unit amount but immediately cheaper quantity. Our income is pretty much never constant. We have pay days, which may be of varying length apart. We already have to "stretch" dollars to make them cover the distance (to "smooth" our financials), and in doing so reduce the absolute purchasing power. Credit allows for us to smooth our production/consumption and savings pattern above and beyond what our mere income allows us to do.

Of course it also provides an incentive to save for the purpose of lending for a possible return.
 
The credit system, without going too much in depth, is not retarded. Certainly there are problems with certain aspects of the modern financial system, of which credit is a part, but credit/interest are not some sort of inherently fucked up/evil thing. They can be a boon to both borrower and lender.
MOdern practices are not the problems with credit. My shitty recollection of history dates back to late 18th century America, it's never changed.

The biggest problem for credit is the manipulation of interest rates via central bank policy. Rates should occur based on actual supply and demand, rather than the central bank attempting to "spur demand" by dropping rates. This contributes to debt bubbles and everything else that goes along with them.
Government credit policies are worse than private policies?

It is a non-starter of an argument, in my mind, to claim that credit is bad because some people might abuse it/be unable to handle it. Fuckin water needs to be handled properly or you might drink yourself to death.
It's literally a system in which people with money can make money off helping poor people who aspire to a materialistic society. This equivalency is doo-doo



Of course it also provides an incentive to save for the purpose of lending for a possible return.

This has got to be the minority option here. How many people seriously hope to borrow and then one day to lend out to others? You were in the military, you should know damn well the problems with credit agencies and the system
 
Dakky lives in some kind of Randian fantasy land. His perception of reality when it comes to economics isn't even close to being accurate.
 
So basically, I went to the doctor yesterday. He's moved to a different city so I had to go by train and I walked quite a bit too to get there. I waited for three hours which is quite normal, and then we talked. He then stuck a finger up his butt and told me to push. I wos liek wot m8 u have a finger in there and he said push until it hurts boy. Well, it hurt almost immediately. Turns out I need my new rectum stretched a little. It's a baby rectum now and hence I shit all the time and such. Well he made me push 4 fucking times and then we gave up because it hurts as fuck ladies and gentlemen. So next week I'm going to the hospital and he's gonna do it under anesthesia. I will spend few days in there and then they're gonna give me some tools to continue this thing at home. Yes. Basically I will get some scary instruments to stick in my ass and stretch my rectum in a world of pains.

Bitter.
 
Mathiäs;10938383 said:
Dakky lives in some kind of Randian fantasy land. His perception of reality when it comes to economics isn't even close to being accurate.

#1: What does Rand have to do with economics?
#2: No, you.
 
#1: What does Rand have to do with economics?

You're a smart guy, so I'm 100% certain that you understand why Mathias made this remark. You may not describe Ayn Rand as a philosopher of economic theory/law because you dissociate yourself from her ideas, while your approach is the true manifestation of economic theory; but it does not need to be explained at all that Rand is a figure who is closely associated with the concept of laissez-faire in today's politico-economic landscape. So your question is almost entirely unnecessary.

A less passive-aggressive response to Mathias would have been to simply explain why you don't see Rand as being related to market philosophy.
 
You're a smart guy, so I'm 100% certain that you understand why Mathias made this remark. You may not describe Ayn Rand as a philosopher of economic theory/law because you dissociate yourself from her ideas, while your approach is the true manifestation of economic theory; but it does not need to be explained at all that Rand is a figure who is closely associated with the concept of laissez-faire in today's politico-economic landscape. So your question is almost entirely unnecessary.

A less passive-aggressive response to Mathias would have been to simply explain why you don't see Rand as being related to market philosophy.

Well I would rather avoid replying to points unmade, so I want him to clarify what about Rand relates to anything that I have said, particularly in the the post of mine that precedes his little remark.
 
Haha, I'm not sure why I was such a douche there. But yeah, Ein summed it up. I think most of the opinions you've expressed on economics/economic theory are flat out wrong.
 
Mathiäs;10944088 said:
Haha, I'm not sure why I was such a douche there. But yeah, Ein summed it up. I think most of the opinions you've expressed on economics/economic theory are flat out wrong.

Well since you say "most" then that would have to include Microecon also, which is interesting because there aren't really any significant difference in microecon across the spectrum that I am aware of. The schools are all at odds in one way or another over Macro.
 
Protip: If you live in my building, but are too much of a bum to pay for your own internet, don't come to my door and ask my roommate if you can have the password to mine. I bust my ass to be able to afford my internet, it is entirely your fault that you and your girlfriend are living off of welfare with a newborn baby, dude.

Get a job and get your own. Fucking lowlives.
 
Well since you say "most" then that would have to include Microecon also, which is interesting because there aren't really any significant difference in microecon across the spectrum that I am aware of. The schools are all at odds in one way or another over Macro.

I'm talking about the libertarian/free market ideas you've talked about.