The Whining and Bitching Thread

[Carpe Mortem]

I must have missed that amidst all the fireside philosophy chats goin on in the last page. Sorry about that, STN. Hope it all works out.

 

[Jimmy... Dead.]

Next time someone offends you by assuming you only listen to Metal music - calm down, have and glass of water and get a life.

 

[unknown]

Yeah, I hear ya. As long as their world ends that's all that matters but that's not really what I'm talking about.

Here's a quote from this dude Ligotti I've been reading thanks to True Detective writer Nic Pizzolatto that might help explain what I mean...

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― Thomas Ligotti

you do realize Ligotti is my favorite author? This sounds like it's from The Conspiracy Against the Human Race

 

[Dak]

So no immense suffering is significantly better than some immense suffering. This, in my opinion, is the pessimist ideal.

A myopic viewpoint, but I can concede that someone thinks this way. I would also feel very sorry for them.

It can if all subjective responses of horror coalesce into an objective, or real, confirmation of the horrific object. Just because horror may originate in a subjective response does not mean it can't emerge at a higher, complex level as something objectively real.

Human thought, at its most radically liminal, will always find itself on the brink of horror; this is unconditional.

Once it is no longer the nameless beyond though, it no longer provides the horror. It must remain unrealized.

 

[Einherjar86]

That assumes that once something happens, it attains a name and classification.

And furthermore, if philosophical thought is thought that plumbs the depths, or the liminal boundaries of the human (knowledge as a means to deepen unknowing...) then it is always in contact with horror. This is the point of overlap between much contemporary philosophy and horror fiction.

There was a point in history when philosophy was heavily conditioned by positivistic/optimistic notions of knowledge and considered it an empowerment of the human. Many successful philosophers/scientists still feel this way.

Then there are those who realize that the absolute force of philosophy - philosophy at its most truly philosophical - toes, and potentially breaches, the analytic of human finitude.

I agree with Nick Land that there is an Outside, and that there will always be an Outside; and, furthermore, that it will always be infiltrating our phenomenal sphere. We are embedded in an existence of constant horror.

 

[Dak]

We are embedded in an existence of constant horror.

The everpresent specter of death, outside of Jimmy's pessimist, makes this practically a truism.

 

[Vimana]

I agree with Nick Land that there is an Outside, and that there will always be an Outside; and, furthermore, that it will always be infiltrating our phenomenal sphere. We are embedded in an existence of constant horror.

That makes no sense. You can't know that there will always be one unless you know all, in which case there is no "outside." You can say that there has always been one, but you can't say there always will be one anymore than you can say there won't be one. It's currently an unknown.

Yeah, I hear ya. As long as their world ends that's all that matters but that's not really what I'm talking about.

Here's a quote from this dude Ligotti I've been reading thanks to True Detective writer Nic Pizzolatto that might help explain what I mean...

“Also worthy of mention is a clique among the suicidal for whom the meaning of their act is a darker thing. Frustrated as perpetrators of an all-inclusive extermination, they would kill themselves only because killing it all is closed off to them. They hate having been delivered into a world only to be told, by and by, “This way to the abattoir, Ladies and Gentlemen.” They despise the conspiracy of Lies for Life almost as much as they despise themselves for being a party to it. If they could unmake the world by pushing a button, they would do so without a second thought. There is no satisfaction in a lonesome suicide. The phenomenon of “suicide euphoria” aside, there is only fear, bitterness, or depression beforehand, then the troublesomeness of the method, and nothingness afterward. But to push that button, to depopulate this earth and arrest its rotation as well—what satisfaction, as of a job prettily done. This would be for the good of all, for even those who know nothing about the conspiracy against the human race are among its injured parties.”

― Thomas Ligotti

As someone who has been suicidal and attempted suicide multiple times, I think this quote is full of shit. Just because you are in a dark place and you view the world as perpetual suffering and a path to a slaughterhouse, you can't say that that's reality and everyone else is just blind and needs your illumination. Emotions are not facts, but subjective interpretations of facts.

Declaring that the world is dark because one sees it that way is like a deer deciding humans can eat toxic plants just because they can eat them. The deer may think, "well, I can eat these plants, so humans who say they can't are just ignorant. I'll do them a favor and feed it to them," and then humans eat the plants and die when they could eat non-toxic plants and live.

I feel sorry for those who see the world as dark and horrible, especially since I've been in that place and tried to escape it by taking my own life, but I can't even put into words how horrible I find it to want to kill others, especially when one thinks they're doing others a favor. Yes, life has suffering. It's not like people who aren't depressed forget that fact. It's that people who are depressed forget that life has joy. It has more for some than for others, but that does not mean that joy is some illusion and suffering is reality. Both joy and suffering are reality and some get more of one than the other, and depending on the person, it's also about how one looks at life and acts that determines which they get more of.

 

[-CC-]

Dak and Ein, go back to your corner. Please don't force another 2 pages of arguing semantics.

 

[Krow]

They must argue foreeeeeeeeeeeeeeerveeeeeer. I was pretty sure I was going to die yesterday. Had a bad day at work, had to sit in traffic for over an hour on the way home because of road work, opened my car door and stepped in horse shit from 3 randomly roaming horses at my girlfriends. Then about six last night had a sudden stomach pain, maybe the worst pain I've ever had in my life and laid in the fetal position feeling like I needed to throw up for around 45 minutes, when it suddenly stopped. Right in the pit of my stomach... I could barely talk... Felt as if the room was spinning and started sweating. I've never had anything like that happen before and if it does again, I will surely be going to the ER.

 

[Dak]

Food poisoning?

 

[damnromulans]

Appendicitis? Get that checked out, Krow

 

[Krow]

Possible. Explosive Krig followed soon after.

And I've had gallbladder troubles in the past, didn't resemble those at all or where they said the pain would be if it was my appendix.

 

[Cronopio]

What's up with all the fancy word-slinging intellectuals constantly tongue fucking Ayn Rand's beef curtains on online forums?

you do realize Ligotti is my favorite author? This sounds like it's from The Conspiracy Against the Human Race

Dude's da bee's knees, but he needs to write more.

 

[Einherjar86]

That makes no sense. You can't know that there will always be one unless you know all, in which case there is no "outside." You can say that there has always been one, but you can't say there always will be one anymore than you can say there won't be one. It's currently an unknown.

Precisely part of my point.

No one said anything about arguing with Vimana. Who wants a piece? Eh? Eh? C'mon, I'll give you all something to bitch and whine about.

 

[Vimana]

Precisely part of my point.

No one said anything about arguing with Vimana. Who wants a piece? Eh? Eh? C'mon, I'll give you all something to bitch and whine about.

How does "currently an unknown" mean "will always be unknown"?

 

[Dak]

What's up with all the fancy word-slinging intellectuals constantly tongue fucking Ayn Rand's beef curtains on online forums?

Unfortunately too many teens read Atlas Shrugged, declare it the greatest thing ever, and then apparently stop reading. Unfortunate because shes probably the worst libertarianesque apologist ever.

 

[Vimana]

She makes the opposite point she means to make in that book. I find it hilarious. Supposedly selfishness is the drive of human progress, when the "selfish" characters are the ones who pour their lives into doing things useful for others, like inventing a metal stronger and lighter than steel that lasts longer, or building railroad infrastructure, or inventing a motor that runs itself indefinitely. If they were so selfish, they could just build weapons and use them to enslave the human race.

And then the evil, "selfless" government figures are the actual selfish ones. They use communist ideals to cheat people out of the fruits of their labors while preaching about giving.

 

[unknown]

What's up with all the fancy word-slinging intellectuals constantly tongue fucking Ayn Rand's beef curtains on online forums?



Dude's da bee's knees, but he needs to write more.

he's coming out with a new short collection like around June...it's only a couple of new pieces of fiction but better than nothing

 

[Dak]

She makes the opposite point she means to make in that book. I find it hilarious. Supposedly selfishness is the drive of human progress, when the "selfish" characters are the ones who pour their lives into doing things useful for others, like inventing a metal stronger and lighter than steel that lasts longer, or building railroad infrastructure, or inventing a motor that runs itself indefinitely. If they were so selfish, they could just build weapons and use them to enslave the human race.

And then the evil, "selfless" government figures are the actual selfish ones. They use communist ideals to cheat people out of the fruits of their labors while preaching about giving.

Um, that is the point she means to make.

 

[monoxide_child]

some non-metal murder music

saw this phrase^^ and immediately thought "psychopathic records"

Next time someone offends you calm down, have and glass of water and get a life.

What's up with all the fancy word-slinging intellectuals constantly tongue fucking Ayn Rand's beef curtains on online forums?

this^^ is funny to me because out of all of the people that know me face-2-face, i'm the only one that even knows who the fucking-hell Ayn Rand even is...before anyone else says it, yeah, i know my face-2-face freinds are fucking retards

Unfortunately too many teens read Atlas Shrugged, declare it the greatest thing ever, and then apparently stop reading. Unfortunate because shes probably the worst libertarianesque apologist ever.