What do you see as a 'disgrace' to metal music? Why?

[Omni]

Thanks for explaining your super obvious point a second time. That really cleared things up. #PlebeiansExplainThings

I like how your only remaining course of action is to post hashtags at the end of your posts because you got offended that I casually stated a simple opinion. It was so obvious that you wildly misread why I posted it and accused me of acting like you.

It's okay, sweetheart. I'm sure Josh from Velvet Cacoon was only kidding when he said his fans are morons. The dieselharp actually exists and he is a brilliant visionary.

 

[Dazed and Brutal]

lol did anyone even buy the dieselharp mythos tho?

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

It's okay, sweetheart.

You're starting to sound like me, and I don't know whether to be proud or offended.

edit: oh and what the fuck is a dieselharp?

 

[Dazed and Brutal]

A harp powered by a diesel engine fueled by a tank the size of a small fish aquarium filled with salt water from the sea with droplets of human blood

 

[HamburgerBoy]

To reduce metal to the concept of riffs is not only musically tonedeaf and illiterate, but makes no fucking sense. He's an ostentatious troglodyte.

I love riffs, I grew up obsessed with them, still am, my proudest moment from when I was 13 was learning how to play the patented Chuck Berry double stop riff. The thing is though, there's more to the backbone of metal than just riffs, it's the phrasing, it's the melody, the attitude. To completely dismiss something based on its supposed lack of riffs is noxious and imbecilic.

As someone that was shaped by UltraBoris if by anyone on the internet, this is kind of an exaggeration and also misses the point. He certainly loved plenty of melodic albums that weren't even particularly riff-heavy, but more than that, it is ultimately the riff that defines metal music more than anything. Heavy metal is essentially a form of hard rock that relies on a higher quantity and diversity of riffing styles, generally ones distinct from the majority of rock music pre-70s (and vast majority pre-60s). As heavy metal evolved, its lineage was defined primarily by more newly incorporated riffing styles. While there's no doubt that a person can write great riffs and still crap songs (see: a number of post-Rust in Peace Megadeth songs), it is almost impossible to write a great metal song without great riffs. A highly-arranged prog opus with a string section, classically-trained singers, with movements between several different key signatures, but yet just a bunch of syncopated chugs filling out the basic riffing units could have a lot going for yet still ends up merely with a heavier, down-tuned Genesis or ELP. I would love to hear what you consider to be a great metal album with mediocre-at-best riffs, black metal aside (which largely isn't actually metal for this very reason).

Can you explain what you mean by "the phrasing" btw? As I would understand the word in a musical context, it's an intrinsic part of what makes the riff.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

A harp powered by a diesel engine fueled by a tank the size of a small fish aquarium filled with salt water from the sea with droplets of human blood

sounds legit

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

yeah, this guy is fuckin' awesome.

 

[EternalMetal]

I would love to hear what you consider to be a great metal album with mediocre-at-best riffs, black metal aside (which largely isn't actually metal for this very reason).

Almost anything Devin Townsend tbh.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Almost anything Devin Townsend tbh.

Exactly the kind of music I was imagining. Obviously a talented dude and I've thawed on him a bit, but a lot of his music is basically heavy dental office pop, even when good.

 

[crimsonfloyd]

I like how your only remaining course of action is to post hashtags at the end of your posts because you got offended that I casually stated a simple opinion. It was so obvious that you wildly misread why I posted it and accused me of acting like you.

Simple man makes simple comment and gets butthurt when someone points out it’s simple and then can't let it go

It's okay, sweetheart. I'm sure Josh from Velvet Cacoon was only kidding when he said his fans are morons. The dieselharp actually exists and he is a brilliant visionary.

Yes, I've read the letter you're alluding to. In fact, it was sent to a friend of mine at the time. I think it can be read in multiple ways. However, even if you read it as him simply shitting on his own music (a valid reading) it doesn't impact what the music accomplishes in the least. I would imagine the intellectually simple wouldn't be able to easily abstract a work of art from the persona of the artist that created it, but for me, that's not a cognitive challenge. So that incident didn't change my position on the record in the least.

 

[CiG]

Snake's vocals > this whole debate.

 

[The Ozzman]

A bowel movement is better than Snake's vocals

 

[CiG]

False. Trivium and your opinions are not better than Snake's vocals.

 

[The Ozzman]

False. Trivium and your opinions are not better than Snake's vocals.

Triggered

 

[CiG]

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

A bowel movement is better than Snake's vocals

yeah, a bowel movement right onto your trivium collection

 

[CiG]

The irony of crimmy calling Omni a pleb and then agreeing with Ozz about Snake.

 

[Omni]

Simple man makes simple comment and gets butthurt when someone points out it’s simple and then can't let it go



Yes, I've read the letter you're alluding to. In fact, it was sent to a friend of mine at the time. I think it can be read in multiple ways. However, even if you read it as him simply shitting on his own music (a valid reading) it doesn't impact what the music accomplishes in the least. I would imagine the intellectually simple wouldn't be able to easily abstract a work of art from the persona of the artist that created it, but for me, that's not a cognitive challenge. So that incident didn't change my position on the record in the least.

I'm not talking about the letter. I'm talking about Josh openly stating that his music is a joke and that people who like it are dumb in an unambiguous fashion on the forum for Full Moon Productions, the label that released his music. He was a moderator there for several years and his identity was confirmed by the label owner.

 

[The Ozzman]

yeah, a bowel movement right onto your Testament collection

Fixed that for you

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Lol, but a) don't you like Testament? And b) are you implying Trivium are a better band?