Sorry, I can't imagine myself making a serious counterargument against your claim that you have a superior intellect that allows you to recognize a joke album as a piece of meaningful art and that people who recognize that it was a joke album are less intelligent than you.
What do you see as a 'disgrace' to metal music? Why?
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Sorry, I can't imagine myself making a serious counterargument against your claim that you have a superior intellect that allows you to recognize a joke album as a piece of meaningful art and that people who recognize that it was a joke album are less intelligent than you.
TechnicalBarbarity
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"PREPARE THE LARGE BONER OF THRASH" is going to be my battle cry from now on.
CiG
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The Ozzman
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TechnicalBarbarity
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Oh you didnt know? Ozz has elephantiasis and uses his balls for gravity blasts
The Ozzman
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H.P. Lovecraft
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crimsonfloyd
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HamburgerBoy
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In metal I disagree, there is literally nothing as important as riffs. Especially if we limit things to 1970 through 1993. In modal jazz or ars nova, I will happily admit that riffs aren't important, but metal is based on riffs. Some sub-genres emphasize the importance of riffs more than others; in power, black, and sometimes death metal it's sometimes acceptable to play a lot of straight, unsyncopated rhythms, in trad and thrash it rarely is, but riffs are still the defining aspect.
But that's literally a matter of rhythm is it not? Aka a fundamental domain of the riff. Two notes in two different places = two different rhythms = two different phrasings = two different riffs.
H.P. Lovecraft
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Metal is based on riffs. It's also based on other things though, for instance, it's own unique phylum of phrasing. Just because rhythm is a riff's fundamental domain, does not mean phrasing is exclusively or even mostly correlated to riffs. There's phrasing in everything from Ornette Coleman to AC/DC. Phrasing in a vocal context for instance, would be a choice by Luciano Pavarotti to accentuate the C of a particular part of a vocal melisma in the flow or rhythm of an operatic vocal solo. Phrasing is note placement in essence. It's a huge part of what makes riffs riffs, but riffs are not a huge part of what makes phrasing phrasing.
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I didn't say that phrasing is the same thing as riffs, I'm saying that in a metal context, if you are discussing the phrasing of the rhythm guitar, you are discussing riffs. It'd be like describing a painting and saying "It's not just about the colors, it's about the palette". They're inextricable, even though they're not to the exclusion of others. But it looks like that's not what you meant.
Since you actually mean all phrasing including that of vocal phrasing, I then disagree that it's as important. Vocal phrasing is relatively simplistic and unvaried compared to that of riffs in a metal context; someone like Tom Araya would probably be on the more complex/focused side of vocal phrasing in metal, and it goes without saying that the near-entirety of hip-hop goes well beyond him. You could have Slayer with merely Chuck Billy's vocal phrasing and it would still be Slayer.
Since you actually mean all phrasing including that of vocal phrasing, I then disagree that it's as important. Vocal phrasing is relatively simplistic and unvaried compared to that of riffs in a metal context; someone like Tom Araya would probably be on the more complex/focused side of vocal phrasing in metal, and it goes without saying that the near-entirety of hip-hop goes well beyond him. You could have Slayer with merely Chuck Billy's vocal phrasing and it would still be Slayer.
CiG
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The Ozzman
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Sophii
lil' rat
Having tinny sounding drums is disgraceful imo (lookin at you, Pantera)
Fenriz said it best that bands should have thunderous sounding drums.
However, I give this a pass to some Industrial Metal bands simply because of how some drum machines sound. Granted, the way you can EQ and mix those drums /might/ be able to null that.
Fenriz said it best that bands should have thunderous sounding drums.
However, I give this a pass to some Industrial Metal bands simply because of how some drum machines sound. Granted, the way you can EQ and mix those drums /might/ be able to null that.
Mort Divine
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The Ozzman
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His newest album got me interested in him again although I thought his shit with SYL was lame. It was like Fear Factory light.
Sophii
lil' rat
I agree but also disagree with the SYL thing. Yeah its very Fear Factory based but I feel SYL is a lot more demanding. Fear Factory seems formulaic where Devy's bipolar disorder keeps the music quite literally fucking bonkers.
Sophii
lil' rat
It really does depend on the Drum Machine. I can dig it, but all these slam bands or deathcore bands with drum triggering and 808 bass drops are fucking ridiculous. It sounds awful.
And bands that mix the kick and snare where it sounds like a machine gun is annoying too.
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