What do you see as a 'disgrace' to metal music? Why?

[crimsonfloyd]

I'm not talking about the letter. I'm talking about Josh openly stating that his music is a joke and that people who like it are dumb in an unambiguous fashion on the forum for Full Moon Productions, the label that released his music. He was a moderator there for several years and his identity was confirmed by the label owner.

Cool. Changes nothing about my point, which I doubt you have a convincing counterargument to, if you even get it.

 

[The Ozzman]

Lol, but a) don't you like Testament?

You're learning

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

You're learning

I'm glad that we've been molding your taste in metal. Maybe one day you will cast aside all that plebeian devildriver shit you regularly listen to.

Chuck Billy can fix your clear rectal cavity displacement for you with a solid leather boot up the ass.

he would probably enjoy it

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

He probably does have a kink for large Native American men in leather come to think of it.

yeah, Chief Big Cock is probably his favorite.

 

[The Ozzman]

I'm glad that we've been molding your taste in metal. Maybe one day you will cast aside all that plebeian devildriver shit you regularly listen to.

>Says I like plebeian shit
>Likes Manilla Road

Shut the fuck up

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

>Says I like plebeian shit
>Likes Manilla Road

Shut the fuck up

>implies Manilla Road are pleb
>Likes devildriver and trivium

 

[Omni]

Cool. Changes nothing about my point, which I doubt you have a convincing counterargument to, if you even get it.

Sorry, I can't imagine myself making a serious counterargument against your claim that you have a superior intellect that allows you to recognize a joke album as a piece of meaningful art and that people who recognize that it was a joke album are less intelligent than you.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

"PREPARE THE LARGE BONER OF THRASH" is going to be my battle cry from now on.

 

[CiG]

 

[The Ozzman]

It's okay, tubby, maybe one day you'll find your dong buried under your 11th chin long enough to play guitar with even half the balls Mark Shelton did.

These are the fat jokes I strive to become

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

It's okay, tubby, maybe one day you'll find your dong buried under your 11th chin long enough to play guitar with even half the balls Mark Shelton did.

Oh you didnt know? Ozz has elephantiasis and uses his balls for gravity blasts

 

[The Ozzman]

Oh you didnt know? Ozz has elephantiasis and uses his balls for gravity blasts

I'm like Murderface on drums

 

[crimsonfloyd]

Sorry, I can't imagine myself making a serious counterargument against your claim that you have a superior intellect that allows you to recognize a joke album as a piece of meaningful art and that people who recognize that it was a joke album are less intelligent than you.

Point went over your head. Shocker.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Oh boy, a six year dissertation on the genesis and music theory of heavy metal, I needed this, because it's not like I was there or anything. I never argued riffs weren't a centerpiece, I just said it wasn't necessarily "king", as I felt there were other things that were just as important, i.e. attitude and phrasing. Phrasing is simply the placing of the notes, riff or no riff. The decision to wait half a beat to put the second A note after the first A note, that's phrasing.

In metal I disagree, there is literally nothing as important as riffs. Especially if we limit things to 1970 through 1993. In modal jazz or ars nova, I will happily admit that riffs aren't important, but metal is based on riffs. Some sub-genres emphasize the importance of riffs more than others; in power, black, and sometimes death metal it's sometimes acceptable to play a lot of straight, unsyncopated rhythms, in trad and thrash it rarely is, but riffs are still the defining aspect.

But that's literally a matter of rhythm is it not? Aka a fundamental domain of the riff. Two notes in two different places = two different rhythms = two different phrasings = two different riffs.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I didn't say that phrasing is the same thing as riffs, I'm saying that in a metal context, if you are discussing the phrasing of the rhythm guitar, you are discussing riffs. It'd be like describing a painting and saying "It's not just about the colors, it's about the palette". They're inextricable, even though they're not to the exclusion of others. But it looks like that's not what you meant.

Since you actually mean all phrasing including that of vocal phrasing, I then disagree that it's as important. Vocal phrasing is relatively simplistic and unvaried compared to that of riffs in a metal context; someone like Tom Araya would probably be on the more complex/focused side of vocal phrasing in metal, and it goes without saying that the near-entirety of hip-hop goes well beyond him. You could have Slayer with merely Chuck Billy's vocal phrasing and it would still be Slayer.

 

[CiG]

Devin Townsend's hair is both disgraceful and glorious.

 

[The Ozzman]

Devin Townsend's hair is both disgraceful and glorious.

He shaved off his skullet. He looks more respectable now lol.

 

[Sophii]

Having tinny sounding drums is disgraceful imo (lookin at you, Pantera)

Fenriz said it best that bands should have thunderous sounding drums.

However, I give this a pass to some Industrial Metal bands simply because of how some drum machines sound. Granted, the way you can EQ and mix those drums /might/ be able to null that.

 

[The Butt]

It depends on the sample used. A snare that is programmed in already tinny/reverbed can't be fixed no matter how you EQ it.

 

[Mort Divine]

The poppy nature of Devin Townsend's music is why so much of it is wonderful. A lot of his "more metal" albums are just not up to the level of albums like Terria and Ocean Machine.